Originally Posted by
Car RAMROD
JFK- “speedbird 15k heavy, 180 or greater to 5dme”
BAW- “ I cant do that ma’am, I can do 160 or greater until 5”
”I can’t do that” sounds a lot like “unable” to me when it comes to plain English.
what he said he could do came BEFORE she questioned him.
Yes I do agree that unable would have been a better choice of words, however the USofA isn’t particularly standard with the phraseology and do use a lot of plain English instead, so I’d imagine “I can’t do that” should get the point across the same.
I asked before but nobody answered, if BAW just said “unable” and nothing else, would he still have been vectored off the approach or would he have been allowed to continue? But, without a crystal ball I doubt we will know the real answer there.
yes, but then he goes on in a condescending diatribe about his stabilised criteria.I’ d have sent him back to ENE to start again.
There is no element here of a rant against US ATC in general, I think the vast majority do a great job. But factor in the most dangerous part of the flight with numerous fast requests to a tired crew and nerves can fray fast.
Maybe it’s just a NYC thing, that the whole place is fairly aggressive, rude and everyone seems to be looking for a fight.