Quemerford - Spot on!! My VERY short association was when they were still being used , as Nav trainers, at Thorney. Did a couple of working trips to experience the .'untrim-outable'. nose-up cruise. M Plt 'Horse' Adams took me up to demo engine(s)-out 'performance' (non-existant) Still have the mental image of 'Horse' holding full aileron, wing still dropping and going downhill quite rapidly! Even with bags of sand under the pilots' seats, it was still prudent to get on board one at a time going fully forward before allowing anyone else on board! Its one saving grace was the proximity and similarity to each other of gear and flap levers - it helped to reduce the numbers in service!
