Originally Posted by
DaveReidUK
"The accident was truly caused by the crew in both cases"
"It amounted to just a runaway trim"
"There was never a reason to ground [the MAX]"
"[Boeing's] largest mistake was to overestimate the quality of the pilots it was selling its airplane to"
Video: CNBC interview with William Langewiesche
During the similarly long AF447 thread where more hostility was allowed toward the cockpit crew than on this thread, the repeated refrain was
'fly the aircraft' - 'pitch and power' - especially when the automatics have lost it and dropped into Alternate Law. I lost count of the number of times that was repeated (sometimes in different words attitude and thrust etc.). The same in this thread a proportion of the posters have repeated
'fly the aircraft' - 'pitch and power' and use trim when required and that, had that been done, like the first Lion Air aircraft the two subsequent aircraft would not have crashed.
But from the posts here this is explicitly NOT being taught in training. The teaching seems to be to find the correct NNC(s) to use, then run them by rote. If there is a cacophony of alarms and cavalry charges, flashing lights, EICAS messages, and horns and verbal alerts, the crew are spoilt for choice - which NNC to run? This is the cognitive overload that NTSB is warning about. And as the repetitious posters above would tell them disregard the noise,
'fly the aircraft' - 'pitch and power' and only then while in control of the situation work out what the automatics are complaining about. This approach would have the advantage of reducing the cognitive overload as the human is doing something meaningful and effective.
Do any airlines train crews to
'fly the aircraft' - 'pitch and power' as a an essential underlying task while running NNCs?