Maybe I should mention that Whitmore Wash, where we left the Canyon, is about 2000' AMSL, while Bar 10 is I think 4100'. So they do some climbing in this 8-minute trip. Also they do it all the time so they're v familiar with the terrain. They didn't particularly strike me as cowboys, and I've met a few in my time in aviation. But of course I know zip about choppers.