I wasn't just referring to the J*NZ pilots (who are 90% unionised and pretty cohesive). The problem with Jetstar is that in the Australian operation we have two major Union groups both of who seem to detest each other and can't present a united from in negotiations so the company with ease plays one off against the other. You also have a proportion of pilots who don't belong to either union group and seem to just act out of total self interest, the company has shown over the last couple of negotiations that they simply play one group off against the other. The fact that J* NZ also exists is a problem, the Aussie pilots quite happily work within the NZ operation with impunity whilst restricting the NZ pilots from undertaking ANY work in Australia, when Jetstar NZ was undertaking industrial action and the union in Australia was approached for a show of support not only did they say 'nothing to do with us', a number of their members then volunteered to operate in NZ during the industrial action and prevented the local FO's from partaking in that action as it 'wasn't their problem'. Recently one of the Australian unions approached the NZ union and queried if there was an appetite for a group seniority list and some of the Aussie FO's were feeling a bit aggrieved that NZ FO's were getting commands in 3 years and that they didn't have access to them, the offer was that they may be happy for the Jetstar NZ pilots to join the bottom of their list in return for a lifting of the restriction on NZ pilots operating in Australia............. gee, that seems like a good deal. So all in all the JANZ pilot group has a lot of competing interests that the company has exploited to ensure they keep passing sub par deals on both sides of the Tasman, I can't see that changing anytime soon, just look at the latest J* company update where they company openly states that talks with one union group are progressing well as they are being realistic whilst with the other group things have stalled due to their unrealistic demands.