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Old 27th May 2019, 18:28
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Originally Posted by parkfell


1. Irrespective of what device is used, you need to be competent at RAW DATA flying, and if light ac is your background then the power/pitch couple together with interia are new the ingredients which require training & practice.
Botton line, set the attitude, set the thrust & TRIM. THEN hold trim check adjust......

2. Whilst the market is buoyant Junior birdmen are being invited for interview / sim ride within weeks of completing the MCC. You actually hear of them attempting the process BEFORE or during the MCC course. NOT RECOMMENDED

3. Not entirely true. Smoke in the cabin as an emergency has been known for non typed pilots. Good CRM is vital. Competent skills in both seats as PF & PM critical. If you cannot operate as a crew member, the HR part will be irrelevant.

4. This would be a valid statement, provided you are competent in the first place.

5. Where you train is irrelevant if you cannot fly for toffee. Integrated courses never guarantees success. You need to be competent irrespective of your background.

If there is a gap of more than 28 days between completing the course and the sim ride then a "top up" sim practice needs to be considered.


1. Handling between 737 and A320 are completely different. Example one has a stick, other a yoke, one you need to trim, the other has auto trim.
If you done one or the other, it will only confuse you to criss cross between the two.
Boeing is a cluttered piece of junk from the 60's, while Airbus slightly newer flying computer.

2. The market is not that buoyant for inexperienced cadets, there is a high failure rate, as there are so many cadets to choose from. Whenever companies like RyR opens up recruitment, they normally have several thousand applications, of those they will only hire 20 - 30 at a time.
Now also loads of experienced pilots looking for jobs after Monarch, WoW, Air Berlin and other companies gone bust. Many companies are now taking these experienced guys first, as it helps them ease up on their training department.

3. Sure basic skills of CRM you get during your MCC, basic skills is what is needed. They don't expect that you are a complete pilot when you join as a cadet, because they want to teach you from scratch, to make sure you don't have any bad habits that you might have picked up during your initial training.
Most airlines now want you shaped into their ethos of how to operate. Their SOP's and their way of thinking.
Getting smoke etc. are very complex drills, and if given during an assessment for a Cadet, then this I fell is grossly unfair and wrong, and has nothing to do in an assessment of non TR cadet. Unless he has experience on other type I would not expect to see this given.

Without a good HR interview, you won't even get the time in the Sim by the company.

4. With good preparation and 1 or 2 Sim sessions in a FFS on same type as will be used for assessment, you should be more then enough ready, any competent trainer that knows the Sim drills that are used, can get this done nicely over a 4 hours sim session, with brief and debrief. Of course some self study in advance is required. To prepare yourself for the profiles required.

5. My point with the integrated courses is that many of them already have agreements with airlines, and the Cadets from this group will always have priority with regards to job placement ahead of anyone doing some advanced MCC/JOC course.

As I mention, anyone can get interview with Ryanair, even without these packages, of course if you do get interview/sim, you should prepare properly, that's when you need you Sim time.
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