Originally Posted by
rcsa
What did for those in the back (as others have noted above) was the G-force effect of the first and second bounce. I suspect most of the pax behind the CoG were incapacitated by severe fracture/ head and spinal injuries / loss of consciousness, or blocked in by other pax suffering those injuries. I've seen what a 50-seat bus looks like when it's rolled, and I doubt it was much different inside SU1492, even before the fire broke out. A handful of trolley bags on the escape slide was the least of their worries.
Three cabin crew onboard. One who was presumably seated in the rear survived impact to attempt to open the rear door. (its not clear how this is known)
The two crew survived were pictured without obvious signs of smoke inhalation (soot) so were probably seated in the forward cabin.
It is hard to assess the vertical component of the impact from the video, but mitigating factors are the aircraft did not come to an abrupt halt and energy was absorbed by struts and the deformation of wings.
The scene pictured on this video at 07 to 020 seconds shows perhaps one of the last conscious passengers off the plane. An unfortunate women with soot covered face and singed dress, struggling for breath. (note that the carry on bag next to her belongs to one of the passengers taking photos and initially ignoring her distress)
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=aOnbL_1557230227
Cabin crew look immaculate in comparison (no disrespect intended)
Originally Posted by
Nubian Major
@ mickjoebill, unlike structural firefighters, arffs response times are 3 minutes from time of call, get kit on and drive to incident, breathing apparatus if required donned, if internal, MUST report to entry control, this all takes time, risk assesment carried out, external fire controlled/ extinguished before commiting a crew internal.
Yes, fire crew safety is priority. A change in response will need study and training. But on arrival, does it really need box ticking if half the cabin is already engulfed? ... could a well trained and specially equiped snatch team have immediately climbed on board and ejected the unconscious passengers nearest the doors? Rather than hang back and extinguish the fire, by which time anyone remaining on board could have (probably) perished? We know this toxic crap including carbon monoxide incapacitates people within a few breaths. Seconds count. Yes, on arrival fire crews may not know if passengers remain onboard, so they would have to deploy as a matter of course. Yes scary as.....