Originally Posted by
Australopithecus
By full nose down trim do you mean what you could get electrically? ie, around 3.9 units, or did you crank it all the way to zero? Did you also have the elevator feel cranked max nose down as it does when stall ID is reached?
MCAS is able to use a subset of the STS to run the trim electrically to zero units.
The stabiliser can easily overpower the elevator in my simulator experience, and evidently in actual life-or-death situations too.
So you are saying from your experience the aircraft cannot be fully controlled with elevators!