and as I think I said, I am flying a plane that simply isn't that critical in terms of the climb gradient. I am suggesting that in many cases it is safer to fly the SID because we have the gradient to do so and to do otherwise adds workload to everyone involved. I am definitely not suggesting you stay on the SID if you don't have the performance. I have the figures for turning degredation available for the Global and I have used it many times to check that I really can stay on the SID.