Ha ha ha! None taken Fitter! Seriously, thanks everyone for all the input - and I know we've all been saying it ad nauseam on the Air Cadets thread, but the old T.21s and T.31s really did change a lot of young people's lives. And what a great character-building exercise, to go solo in a week, and become the 'commander' of an aircraft at age 16 (even if only for three minutes at a time). Somehow, a simulator just isn't the same.