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Old 5th Jan 2019, 22:25
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Progress Wanchai
 
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STW,

Good luck in raising the level of debate to a discussion that replaces emotion with pragmatism and facts.
Yes, we are poorly lead as a union but apart from the usual suspects on here and on the forums who do back up their rhetoric with action, the members aren’t exactly a united, cohesive body prepared to sacrifice self for the greater good. Even the strongest of leadership is wasted on selfish followers.

Air Profit,
The HKAOA entered CC/TB for the return of RP07. Nothing else. (HKPA was added later)
You ask does this offer meet the requirements of why we entered CC/TB? As RP07 was offered back, the answer is obviously yes (you’d have to ask the GC why they didn’t put this up to the membership to vote on)
CC/TB continued as it could be seen as a lever to address the obvious deficiencies of HKPA. Does this offer address that issue? Not even close.
Here’s the next question. What are the members prepared to do to adjust management’s mindset, and will that adjustment actually lead to more money, or a typical draconian management mitigation? The “what’s next” is a question for the voters and subsequently for the association to address as a whole.

Dilbert,
it annoys me no end when a Swire Manager on his 3 year cycle at CX refers to himself as “the company”. He’s not the company. We and the rest of the employees are. You’re association should never represent the company, but raising debate to see an item from the company’s viewpoint, if for no other reason than playing devils advocate, is not in itself necessarily bad.
Debating from management’s viewpoint is something else again that should never be tolerated. They are blind. They don’t have a logical view of anything.
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