aahhh . .. . George . .. . you obviously did not lose a loved one. (And you appear to be discounting or ignoring the multiple ill effects of unresolved stress. You also seem to hold Hawke in some esteem. I think your view is simplistic . (You say as much). It reminds me of the blind faith and "he's really not a bad bloke, deep down" that many Queenslanders held in Joh, come-what-may. )