Hi, both systems were bought as combined software/receiver packs and neither receiver had a manual.
The one that I consider to be not so good is a Haicom Hi-202E, it takes a minimum of 30 minutes to aquire sats and since I am using it with a laptop in the car that is not good news.
The "good" receiver is not branded apart from the name of the software pack, Destinator, which I believe is of Canadian origin.
Thanks for replying.
Jack