re post #3 - and Ray Whitbread of Kogarah Motors and his fatal in his Mustang that Ken had endorsed him on -
strangely, only in the last month, I met two people, entirely unconnected and on separate occasions, who had witnessed Ray go in not far south of the Richmond RAAF base. At the time, one was a schoolboy on his bicycle, the other a 20 year old student at the Kingsford Smith Flying School at Bankstown who had pulled over in his car to watch the all white 'stang doing aerobatics. He saw the canopy come off. It was that that knocked Ray out. The plane went in near vertically at high speed, into a large block of land awaiting development, recently excavated, and because of this, almost buried itself. Both individuals claimed to be first at the crash site.