Originally Posted by
Grizzly Bare
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
As someone who went through the process of getting a South African validation some years ago, the SA CAA don't work it like that.
A validation is basically an authorisation to use a foreign licence, and its included ratings and endorsements, as if it were a local licence. Type ratings must be included in a licence, and then a validation allows you to use them on a local aircraft. You can't include a new type rating on a validation,its only an approval certificate for another CAA's qualification.
Getting a little perturbed by those who are rushing in to defend the pilots with "Oh they work for Q... therefore they knew what they were doing".
1. These are senior heavy jet drivers, used to flying aircraft that are immaculately maintained. The potential of failure is significantly less in a modern airliner, and when it does happen the flight profile of an A330 with an engine out on take-off is better than the normal flight profile of the CV. Then consider the automation of modern jet systems in the event of a failure - versus the almost complete lack thereof (autofeather if it works) in the CV. The GoPro footage reveals an almost complete lack of CRM, maybe tied to a lack of familiarity with flying a big piston, versus a modern jet.
Just because you're a superdooper jet jockey doesn't mean you can fly a vintage airliner, especially on a test flight after heavy maintenance with passengers on board.
2. Coming from Oz where pedantic bureaucracy in pilot licensing is the normal, it is inconceivable that either pilot could not understand if they did not have the correct licences/validations/type-ratings to legally fly the aircraft on the ZS- register. To hold a validation certificate that allows flight of PPL, single-engine only, and then go blasting off in the CV beggars belief. Couple this with the fact that there were fatalities, if this had been in Oz with a South African pilot the media and Australian CAA would be baying for blood.
Are you saying obtaining a certificate of validation and type rating issued by the South African CAA doesn’t work?
Both the PF and PNF went through the same process with the same SA instructor. I’d suggest the table on page 13 of the report is corrrect, the PNF did hold a valid licence and type rating to operate the aircraft.
id suggest this is an error in the report or CAA licencing records system.
The following extract from
SA news report supports this understanding:
Aviation expert Karl Jenson strongly repudiated the report’s preliminary finding that the Convair co-pilot was not licensed.
“A friend who trained him on the aircraft refutes this claim vehemently,” he told The Citizen. “The Sacaa report is preliminary only and there are glaring omissions and claims which cannot possibly be substantiated,” Jenson said.
Reference your suggestions these pilots aren’t familiar with large piston engine operations, you need to do some research before commenting. Extensive and recent experience in Caribou, Constellation, Convair 340, P51 and Catalina to mention some of their experience.