Originally Posted by
Winemaker
Vessbot, et al, you are never going to convert a 'believer' no matter how rational you are. Belief isn't arguable, it's belief. The premise is on its face false; frames of reference are ignored, logical physics arguments are twisted. I really think there is no point feeding this troll as this is where he gets his energy.
I don't have as pessimistic of an outlook of it as you do. I think he is actually engaging in honest argumentation.