WagTail what you say about a fair system of upgrade is good but I think you unfairly stick it to the 146 Gomers. I don't believe there could be such a monumental difference between long and short haul, you are just on the airway for longer. Different procedures sure, but again no major event after the first exposure. If 146 guys are having a problem with approaches as you claim then that is a training issue not an experience issue.