Indeed Beagle. At Leuchars a practice gear up approach was a requirement before you were checked out in the van. Runway controllers are the last check on things that others should have done or seen was the way my trainer described it to me. If a red very was required, I fired it first and then called Local to explain why. Latterly we had 2 way comms, fitted because of the F4 chute candling issue, this was good news, because both times i fired a red very in anger i set the grass on fire!