Red , Point taken, was it discovered after his course or before? Ernest I've never flown a Tornado but you are right, the difference is obvious. I think most people could recognise a Tornado beside a 747. But command hours on either are not that different. You are still required to make decisions, manage crew/other pilots etc. In fact it is fair to say that the Tornado boy makes more D's per flight hour than your wide body man. I am not saying a Tornado driver is going to be an ace in a commercial jet, that's an individual thing, but his hours are a valuable training ground for command skills. Lets face it, he is in command from day 1.... However, if EK say they count for naught, then they count for naught.