The thing that is not getting public exposure in this is what happens on the routes where by replacing 747s with 787s and no additional services there is a reduction in seats on the route and QF start charging more for those fewer seats. That is what they are going to do starting with JFK and has been confirmed to me by management. So, taking Joburg as an example will we see either EK or SIA push for 5th/6th freedom rights? Unless QF provides the same or more seats I think you will.