Not sure what you mean Gray. It was very noticeable that on the day a big number of people did comment that it was really growing on them ....some of that is definitely the longer skids ( which I would like even longer towards the front ...) but I guess it is a bit like Marmite !! Mine is being delivered at the factory on July 25th so hopefully up and flying here by end of August fingers crossed....I just need to sell the 109 now !!