And another thing... as we were referring to the good operational people @ Thomson which is indeed true. I left as a trainer and in terms of the office staff that I had direct dealings with, absolutely superb. Long standing Britannia employees, very good at their jobs, polite, friendly and always helpful. Many culled due longevity and ergo, expensive. Thomson, in terms of the pilots are trading on the industry reputation which was hard won on the basis of the fabled (but real) partnership between the company and the pilot group. That was when the flight ops managers were gentlemen and had integrity. Be careful what you wish for.