Originally Posted by
NutLoose
I have found the one I commented on, it wasn't the F-4 one mentioned but a Tornado under similar circumstances, Command ejection was used but sadly the pilot did not survive.
Where the pilot is incapacitated shouldn't the navigator generally be able to at least stabilise the aircraft at a safe altitude if not get it home unless the pilot is making some pretty forceful involuntary control inputs? No hints of the navigator trying to assume control in either of those reports.