Funny how the US carriers seem to function just fine, paying their pilots far more, with health care (and retirement health care), pensions and free staff travel (should I mention proper rostering and bidding rules?). I guess the simple answer is they seem to have management who know what they are doing, unlike our feckless lot of Swire losers. We are a cursed company, and the end is approaching. If you can get out, get out while there is a hiring boom around the world to take advantage of. Don't be the last one on the new seniority list. CX is finished. (and as for AT's 'concessionary' talks... makes me think of something regarding 'where the sun doesn't shine').