h'mm
aircraft engineers, I treat like any other human being.
And after working as a Profesional engineer I treat with the same respect as any other skilled technician who has more clue about how the thing gets fixed than I do.
For the life of me I don't know why they get so wound up when they are not refered to as an Engineer. I have alot more respect for artificers than some horrible little undergrad. Who has on paper all that is required to be called an Engineer but none of the common sense or people skills which is 80% of the job of a professional Engineer. And wanting to be called an Engineer which links you in with those creatures actually is undermining the skill level you really have.
And before you get wound up, I have worked in airline ops and as a FI and I have never been excluded from the hangar and usually included in the sticky bun run if kicking around.
Its a team game not a them and us. One cannot survive without the other.
MJ