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Old 24th Feb 2018, 04:58
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Originally Posted by John Citizen
Now for all those experts who say it's no different to flying a Cessna, lets compare the difference:

Let's look at Cessna making a visual approach (operating in its usual environment -OCTA/ Class D zone (old GAAP zone):
- CTA steps are not a problem if you are coming from OCTA/remaining OCTA (you can just descend to circuit altitude as far out as you want, and descend shallow/fly level until ready for final approach)
- if descending within CTA (class c), then CTA steps are less likely a problem (because of slower speed)
- slower speeds/easier to slow down
- you can still descend normal profile and slow down easily
- gear is fixed (less things to worry about)
- only 1 flap speed, and usually no difficulty to slow down, even whilst descending
- there might only be 2 or 3 flap settings
- no formal checklist to complete (apart from maybe BUMPFISCH in your head, on downwind)
- very easy to slow down if a bit fast/high, just reduce further power (unlike a jet where the thrust might be idle and the speed brake not very effective)
- no need to correctly program the FMS (for correct waypoint sequencing, to give accurate track miles/VDEV info/FPLAN track for go around)
- no company speed limits or rate of descent limits (which makes it more challenging to descend sometimes/more things to think about)
- no ATC approach speed limits (230/185/160 etc)
- most important, no stable approach criteria:
- you don't have to be stablished on path by 1,000' with all the other criteria
- you don't have to fly and be established on 3 degree slope/on the PAPI
(to be on slope on the PAPI at 1,000, is to be within +/- 80' (narrow tolerance +/- 8%) at 3 miles from the threshold, good luck to anyone who can just eyeball that without ever looking down)
- you don't have to land within the zone (you can land short or long)
- you can approach as steep or as flat as you want
- you have more flexibility on your approach speed, the speed you fly, and how soon/late you are stabilized
- if you completely mess it up, you can even continue the approach with the engine at idle (there is no minimum thrust setting for approach)
- there is no FOQA to report you if you did something wrong (which means usually you still continue)
- OCTA, there is no one (ATC) watching you fly and to report your mistakes
- less workload, you don't need to set any bugs (or ask someone to do it for you) (heading/speed/VS/altitudes/FD)

If only a jet was this easy. (ready for incoming )

Btw...if this flight was a Cessna operating OCTA/entering a Class D zone from OCTA, then there would no incident/report to start with.
Roughly 97% of what you just typed is completely irrelevant to the actual incident at hand. I have to ask, did you even read what happened?

Oh, and for the record, the guy who made reference to Cessnas happens to fly an A319, so presuming to pontificate on the difference between flying Cessnas and Airbuses is...well ... presumptuous.
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