Also, separate topic... I was able to ride up to 125 kts with with 4 pac on at very low vibe from my perspective. It felt like most of my R66 and 206L rides. One of my rides I was in front left seat and it was not quite as comfy vibration as a L model, but I much prefer the visibility and the much more spacious area. I prefer the 505 to the L3 and L4 longrangers for the overall package.