Oriental flyer you have missed CEA's point entirely. You continue to fight with Swire over who did this & who did that. It wouldn't matter what Swire did or didn't do, HK & CX's fate was sealed in 1997- the need for HK as a high standard gateway to the PRC has dwindled since then. CX pilots delay in recognising this fact doesn't change it. Fighting with their staff has been a distraction.