Norwegian 787 Long Haul US Florida
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Before investing time, effort and money in the screening process, have full details of the job been provided by Orient Ship Management?
“OSM will answer all your queries relating to the contract, employment and training cost bond”
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- A sample roster/working pattern expected with Norwegian.
- Salary: block guarantee - hourly O/T rate - incremental pay scales.
- Per diem and hourly duty pay.
- Health Insurance plan for employee and family members.
- Retirement plan.
- Employee and family travel benefits.
- Seniority list upgrade opportunities with Norwegian.
- The training cost payable before beginning the assignment, specifically;
- (i) Refund should an EASA license not be obtained within the stated period.
- (ii) Refund should Norwegian terminate my Service Provider Agreement with OSM for any reason.
- (iii) The interest earned.
- The affect on my employment with OSM and my options for any alternative OSM airline assignment or notice period payment, should Norwegian terminate my Service Provider Agreement before the 3-year term.
- A sample employment contract for review.
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Bondi.....yawn. Don't you ever tire of this ?
I can't work out your agenda but you should devote equal time to looking into veiling,volutea, Ryanair.....none of these are golden handshakes.
I don't know who hurt you in NLH so badly, but help is available.
As for that union missive, pilot turnover hasn't been that high, they lost a wedge of FOs to virgin but that's mainly it
I can't work out your agenda but you should devote equal time to looking into veiling,volutea, Ryanair.....none of these are golden handshakes.
I don't know who hurt you in NLH so badly, but help is available.
As for that union missive, pilot turnover hasn't been that high, they lost a wedge of FOs to virgin but that's mainly it
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There's no way a regulating authority is going to issue a type rating for only one specific operator. Absolutely no way whatsoever, there's no facility or provision for it.
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Norwegian 787
Life teaches us different things in different occasions! This is a specific and unique process for each individual.
One should ask himself what would he/she really need at any given time, options available and most importantly when time comes, if that is a really informed decision.
Some critics throw rocks, others elevate themselves and discuss/debate constructively while most just sit on the side and watch. At some point in life you need to show yourself and your actions define who you really are, as a human being.
Philosophies apart!
Norwegian might be inviting/luring less experienced and/or qualified aviators to fly their long haul jets. We may argue that its a good or bad experience and I definitely wouldn't dare to judge if you are unemployed or being explored even further elsewhere.
If you have options and are employed in a (relatively) stable situation then apply, succeed with this job offer and consider it carefully. The seat is not yours until you sign the damn paper (hope you don't really have to)!
I finally have received some positive feedback from fellow AIRMEN which I sincerely thank!
Drawbacks:
Amongst some of the information I could gather the roster is severely exhausting, extra-crew duty won't be paid, you should expect demanding 3/4 consecutive crossings with 24h layover (minimum rest if more than 6 time zones), only 3 man crew in really long sectors (suppose only per FTL limitation) and about three weeks away from your bed and most importantly your families.
All this underpaid (feel free to look around).
Minimum rest, several nights flying will damage your physical capacities and impact your memory and circadian rhythm too. Technically you can enjoy those 48h layovers as you wish, but spending your days off away from home is not my gig. Days off are supposed to be spent in your terms, with whom and where you'd like. Family wise, this could prove to be a great mistake in the long run. Watch out!
No staff tickets except with own carrier, but at least they provide health insurance for you (and family for a fee you need to pay).
Still no pension fund (they claim to making plans but on this matter the only fast thing around are the planes they fly) and in most cases they ask you for the training bond. 15 blokes paying 30k is nearly a half a million in their bank resting for three years.
Don't be fooled. First Officer is a First Officer and RCA is still a "Senior" First Officer, only with better (= not so lousy) pay. While the first in this category may jump to "permanent" left seat in two or three years it's not probable the same time for the following. I've asked different sources and by no means they will apply the above as a rule or even as a reference for present time.
For some this may be a blessing or the opportunity you needed to bump your career. If you feel this applies to you, go ahead and don't look back.
These drawbacks will probably end making you one of the most experienced Dreamliner Commanders in the World when you retire, if you make it!
Advantages:
The good stuff is you can fly their brand new shinny jet, and probably never bother about the type rating, you will log tons of hours (expect max hours), meet new people and fly in a relatively relaxed flight deck. If a base closes, they will transfer you to another one and it's oil funded so no worries about your seat if you comply with regulations, even if it's in OSL, or BKK. You will end up saving money as you won't have time to spend it rather than earning more (should I say at market rates).
I do believe the airline will have to adjust, salaries, rest periods and perks, otherwise they will have the same work environment as some European low costs and Sandbox staff turnaround over time. The more people go there and refuse the job because of its conditions, the more they will provide and make available. As things are, you are part of the problem, not the solution. P2F is not my thing and a serious matter for the industry. The only way out is for Unions to block this and individuals not applying to these airlines. I understand it's quite easy when you are lucky and starting is quite hard. Some day, this will be a global issue.
If this works for you, go ahead, if not, look elsewhere. Still I can name far worse deals, but that's why no one can stand them for too long. This is only the next step on the bottom of the ladder.
I would sincerely like to thank all information provided (you know who you are)!
To me it's a -->NO<-- BRAINER!
One should ask himself what would he/she really need at any given time, options available and most importantly when time comes, if that is a really informed decision.
Some critics throw rocks, others elevate themselves and discuss/debate constructively while most just sit on the side and watch. At some point in life you need to show yourself and your actions define who you really are, as a human being.
Philosophies apart!
Norwegian might be inviting/luring less experienced and/or qualified aviators to fly their long haul jets. We may argue that its a good or bad experience and I definitely wouldn't dare to judge if you are unemployed or being explored even further elsewhere.
If you have options and are employed in a (relatively) stable situation then apply, succeed with this job offer and consider it carefully. The seat is not yours until you sign the damn paper (hope you don't really have to)!
I finally have received some positive feedback from fellow AIRMEN which I sincerely thank!
Drawbacks:
Amongst some of the information I could gather the roster is severely exhausting, extra-crew duty won't be paid, you should expect demanding 3/4 consecutive crossings with 24h layover (minimum rest if more than 6 time zones), only 3 man crew in really long sectors (suppose only per FTL limitation) and about three weeks away from your bed and most importantly your families.
All this underpaid (feel free to look around).
Minimum rest, several nights flying will damage your physical capacities and impact your memory and circadian rhythm too. Technically you can enjoy those 48h layovers as you wish, but spending your days off away from home is not my gig. Days off are supposed to be spent in your terms, with whom and where you'd like. Family wise, this could prove to be a great mistake in the long run. Watch out!
No staff tickets except with own carrier, but at least they provide health insurance for you (and family for a fee you need to pay).
Still no pension fund (they claim to making plans but on this matter the only fast thing around are the planes they fly) and in most cases they ask you for the training bond. 15 blokes paying 30k is nearly a half a million in their bank resting for three years.
Don't be fooled. First Officer is a First Officer and RCA is still a "Senior" First Officer, only with better (= not so lousy) pay. While the first in this category may jump to "permanent" left seat in two or three years it's not probable the same time for the following. I've asked different sources and by no means they will apply the above as a rule or even as a reference for present time.
For some this may be a blessing or the opportunity you needed to bump your career. If you feel this applies to you, go ahead and don't look back.
These drawbacks will probably end making you one of the most experienced Dreamliner Commanders in the World when you retire, if you make it!
Advantages:
The good stuff is you can fly their brand new shinny jet, and probably never bother about the type rating, you will log tons of hours (expect max hours), meet new people and fly in a relatively relaxed flight deck. If a base closes, they will transfer you to another one and it's oil funded so no worries about your seat if you comply with regulations, even if it's in OSL, or BKK. You will end up saving money as you won't have time to spend it rather than earning more (should I say at market rates).
I do believe the airline will have to adjust, salaries, rest periods and perks, otherwise they will have the same work environment as some European low costs and Sandbox staff turnaround over time. The more people go there and refuse the job because of its conditions, the more they will provide and make available. As things are, you are part of the problem, not the solution. P2F is not my thing and a serious matter for the industry. The only way out is for Unions to block this and individuals not applying to these airlines. I understand it's quite easy when you are lucky and starting is quite hard. Some day, this will be a global issue.
If this works for you, go ahead, if not, look elsewhere. Still I can name far worse deals, but that's why no one can stand them for too long. This is only the next step on the bottom of the ladder.
I would sincerely like to thank all information provided (you know who you are)!
To me it's a -->NO<-- BRAINER!
Last edited by sun shines every day; 15th Jan 2017 at 11:05. Reason: Clarifying text
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Norwegian has had Bitter Labor problems in Home Base Norway and elsewhere for a long while now.
Trying to Run Away from these problems ONLY exaggerates the situation.
Past Is Prologue.
And in the end, the conflict destroyed an airline
EAL Brought Down by a Strike So Bitter It Became a Crusade
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/20/us...pagewanted=all
Nowhere other than EAL, however, did the labor struggle last as long or assume the form of a crusade.
Some of the same familiar tactics, but, far more egregious .
Weaken the Unions in your Home Base of Norway, by all means available, and, hire Cheap / Underpaid Non-union employees elsewhere, anywhere.
And, Overwork them, after they pay Upfront 30 or 40 K for their training cost bond.
OSM itself was established as a spin off OSM maritime, an agency supplying crews to shipping companies.
OSM statement: “International Aviation will go the same way as shipping".
And, Norwegian's CEO was a maritime lawyer, for twenty years.
After more than 100 letters from members of Congress, F. L., was later Banned by Congress, from Ever running an Airline again.
Presently more than 100 members of Congress, again, are in pursuit, of B. K. "Norwegian" now.
Trying to Run Away from these problems ONLY exaggerates the situation.
Past Is Prologue.
And in the end, the conflict destroyed an airline
EAL Brought Down by a Strike So Bitter It Became a Crusade
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/20/us...pagewanted=all
Nowhere other than EAL, however, did the labor struggle last as long or assume the form of a crusade.
Some of the same familiar tactics, but, far more egregious .
Weaken the Unions in your Home Base of Norway, by all means available, and, hire Cheap / Underpaid Non-union employees elsewhere, anywhere.
And, Overwork them, after they pay Upfront 30 or 40 K for their training cost bond.
OSM itself was established as a spin off OSM maritime, an agency supplying crews to shipping companies.
OSM statement: “International Aviation will go the same way as shipping".
And, Norwegian's CEO was a maritime lawyer, for twenty years.
After more than 100 letters from members of Congress, F. L., was later Banned by Congress, from Ever running an Airline again.
Presently more than 100 members of Congress, again, are in pursuit, of B. K. "Norwegian" now.
Last edited by marvelman; 16th Jan 2017 at 00:25. Reason: OSM statement: “International Aviation will go the same way as shipping".
