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Ehh, GAVE ME? As far as I remember I lost my job because of low cost airlines, then I had to pay for my own ticket and hotel for the selection, I had to pay for my type rating and had to pay for my own uniform.
Please enlighten me, what do low cost airlines actually GIVE to employees, apart from social dumping and the 'privilege' to be treated like dirt?
Low cost is the cancer of aviation!
Please enlighten me, what do low cost airlines actually GIVE to employees, apart from social dumping and the 'privilege' to be treated like dirt?
Low cost is the cancer of aviation!
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Ryanair får grønt lys til sag mod ansatte i Københavns Lufthavn | Information
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Ryanair wants a ban against employees in Copenhagen Airport blockading its departures
April 9, 2015 at. 13:57
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Thursday the Copenhagen District Court allowed Lawyers for Ryanair to bring a case against employees at Copenhagen Airport for the District Court,.
The staff lawyers'd tried to have the case dismissed and transferred to the Labour Court.
Source Avisen.dk.
The case concerns Ryanair who wants to get a ban on employees in Copenhagen creating a physical barrier against the company's operation.
Three weeks ago, Wednesday, March 18, Ryanair was hit by a blockade at Copenhagen Airport. For nearly three hours employees at the airport prevented Ryanair's first flight from the airport to refuel and be prepared.
The lawyers of Ryanair argued in court that Ryanair can not live with future demonstrations and physical blockades against its departures in Kastrup. At the same time, they argued that the rules for the security of the airport has been broken.
The lawyers of [Handling Workers Club] held that the case belongs in the Labour Court. Their lawyer, Nicolai Westergaard, said:
- This is a complete working judicial banality, where the Labour Court has jurisdiction.
The judge of the lower district court ruled, however, that the case belonged in the district court.
In addition to the case in the District Court, proceedings continue in the Labour Court. Here the Confederation of Trade Unions are are trying to get a court order that it can conflict against Ryanair.
The next meeting of the Labour Court in this case is Tuesday 12 may. The case may turn out to be protracted, so Ryanair gets quiet to settle in Copenhagen Airport, writes avisen.dk.
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Ryanair wants a ban against employees in Copenhagen Airport blockading its departures
April 9, 2015 at. 13:57
Ritzau
Thursday the Copenhagen District Court allowed Lawyers for Ryanair to bring a case against employees at Copenhagen Airport for the District Court,.
The staff lawyers'd tried to have the case dismissed and transferred to the Labour Court.
Source Avisen.dk.
The case concerns Ryanair who wants to get a ban on employees in Copenhagen creating a physical barrier against the company's operation.
Three weeks ago, Wednesday, March 18, Ryanair was hit by a blockade at Copenhagen Airport. For nearly three hours employees at the airport prevented Ryanair's first flight from the airport to refuel and be prepared.
The lawyers of Ryanair argued in court that Ryanair can not live with future demonstrations and physical blockades against its departures in Kastrup. At the same time, they argued that the rules for the security of the airport has been broken.
The lawyers of [Handling Workers Club] held that the case belongs in the Labour Court. Their lawyer, Nicolai Westergaard, said:
- This is a complete working judicial banality, where the Labour Court has jurisdiction.
The judge of the lower district court ruled, however, that the case belonged in the district court.
In addition to the case in the District Court, proceedings continue in the Labour Court. Here the Confederation of Trade Unions are are trying to get a court order that it can conflict against Ryanair.
The next meeting of the Labour Court in this case is Tuesday 12 may. The case may turn out to be protracted, so Ryanair gets quiet to settle in Copenhagen Airport, writes avisen.dk.
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Ryanair i fokus som hademodel 1. maj | Stand By - Morgennyheder til rejse-, hotel- og turistbranchen
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Ryanair in focus as hate-model May 1.
CAMPAIGN: There are both debates, posters and happenings on the way from the trade union movement against Ryanair. Under the name "Heroes Of The Air" attacks are coming from many sides, and the topic will also be highlighted in the May 1 speaches.
Both red politicians and trade unions are engaged in a major campaign against Ryanair and FPU (Flight Personnel Union) has hired campaign workers for the campaign to grow and create sympathy in the population.
It's Berlingske [major danish newspaper] who in detail inform about where the trade unions and friends in the red block stands today, prior to May 1 and later on May 12 when the Labour Court airs its opinion.
The campaign's backers encourages volunteers to destribute folders on education institutions about the conditions in Ryanair.
It is first and foremost SF and Unity [left wing parties], who are critical of Ryanair, but maybe not as surprising also a certain right wing voice from the EU joins in.
Thus Jens Rohde (V) [right wing party] states to the newspaper and on facebook: "The Irish trade union movement broken their neck to dare fight for decent working conditions in Ryanair. This must not happen in Denmark. This is also about whether the Danish model can survive in a globalized market. "
Unlike Joachim B. Olsen's view: "The trade unions have the right to take this conflict. But it is unsympathetic, for they have no members in Ryanair. In fact, it is nice that there is competition in air travel."
[Joachim B. Olsen is MP for Liberal Alliance - an extreme right party]
The Labour Court is meeting with the parties on May 12, but a verdict that is not expected until June, or perhaps after the summerholiday. If the judges finds that the case is of great importance for the whole EU, it is possible to imagine that's going to take much longer.
Meanwhile Ryanair just increases flights and routes from Copenhagen Airport, while the people cheer and unions rages.
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Ryanair in focus as hate-model May 1.
CAMPAIGN: There are both debates, posters and happenings on the way from the trade union movement against Ryanair. Under the name "Heroes Of The Air" attacks are coming from many sides, and the topic will also be highlighted in the May 1 speaches.
Both red politicians and trade unions are engaged in a major campaign against Ryanair and FPU (Flight Personnel Union) has hired campaign workers for the campaign to grow and create sympathy in the population.
It's Berlingske [major danish newspaper] who in detail inform about where the trade unions and friends in the red block stands today, prior to May 1 and later on May 12 when the Labour Court airs its opinion.
The campaign's backers encourages volunteers to destribute folders on education institutions about the conditions in Ryanair.
It is first and foremost SF and Unity [left wing parties], who are critical of Ryanair, but maybe not as surprising also a certain right wing voice from the EU joins in.
Thus Jens Rohde (V) [right wing party] states to the newspaper and on facebook: "The Irish trade union movement broken their neck to dare fight for decent working conditions in Ryanair. This must not happen in Denmark. This is also about whether the Danish model can survive in a globalized market. "
Unlike Joachim B. Olsen's view: "The trade unions have the right to take this conflict. But it is unsympathetic, for they have no members in Ryanair. In fact, it is nice that there is competition in air travel."
[Joachim B. Olsen is MP for Liberal Alliance - an extreme right party]
The Labour Court is meeting with the parties on May 12, but a verdict that is not expected until June, or perhaps after the summerholiday. If the judges finds that the case is of great importance for the whole EU, it is possible to imagine that's going to take much longer.
Meanwhile Ryanair just increases flights and routes from Copenhagen Airport, while the people cheer and unions rages.
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Udsættelse af Arbejdsrettens møde med FPU og Ryanair
The Labour Court have recheduled the next meeting in the Ryanair vs.the right to industrial action from May 12 to May 20.
The Labour Court have recheduled the next meeting in the Ryanair vs.the right to industrial action from May 12 to May 20.
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This also from The BALPA LOG Magazine spring 15,
Tax concern's in Ryanair,
"A Large number of pilot's at Ryanair are flying under employment arrangements that are unusual for our industry. Under the common arrangement, Ryan air contracts with an employment agency which then subcontracts to a non UK personal or Managed service Company for the provision of Pilot's. Pilot's are required to become Director's of the non-UK
personal or managed service Co.
A growing number of Ryanair crew are concerned at the uncertainty of
these arrangement's and that they seem to carry all the Risk".
Brookfield being one of these Agencies no doubt.
It goes on to say BALPA are being approached by said crew and they are addressing these concern's to HMRC etc.
Tax concern's in Ryanair,
"A Large number of pilot's at Ryanair are flying under employment arrangements that are unusual for our industry. Under the common arrangement, Ryan air contracts with an employment agency which then subcontracts to a non UK personal or Managed service Company for the provision of Pilot's. Pilot's are required to become Director's of the non-UK
personal or managed service Co.
A growing number of Ryanair crew are concerned at the uncertainty of
these arrangement's and that they seem to carry all the Risk".
Brookfield being one of these Agencies no doubt.
It goes on to say BALPA are being approached by said crew and they are addressing these concern's to HMRC etc.
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1 May.....
European Commissioner for Competition speaks out on May 1'
Vestager: Ryanair vinder ikke over 'den danske model' i EU (DR)
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Vestager: Ryanair vinder ikke over 'den danske model' i EU (DR)
An upcoming sympathy blockade of Ryanair flights at Copenhagen Airport is in no way in conflict with EU principles of free competition.
That is the clear message from the top place - the European Commissioner for Competition, Margrethe Vestager, to DR News.
- No, it's not in conflict. In fact, quite the contrary. There is room for the Danish model. There is a scope for social partners to take responsibility for how the work is done, says Margrethe Vestager with clear reference to the dispute between Ryanair and the Danish trade union movement.
A message that certainly not becomes Ryanair chief executive, Michael O'Leary, who visited Copenhagen last week, and who believe that the conflict is unambiguously clear, and that it will end up taking the life of the Danish model:
- Ultimately, the Danish model could not survive if faced with European rules on competition and free movement of goods and labor. But we'd rather not have it come to that, says the battle-ready Mr O'Leary.
Ryanair is ready to bring proceedings before the European Court of Justice (ECJ)
Ryanair intends: to devote all necessary efforts to bring the matter to the European Court if they were to lose the case pending in the Danish Labour Court.
But the Ryanair CEO should not expect backing from the former Danish Minister of Economy, who now sits as the head of free and fair competition in Europe.
- There is room in Europe to fight for ones cause. We do not have bloody free liberal competition. We have a fair market in which we ensure order, and that is how I think it should be, says the Danish EU commissioner firmly.
Michael O'Leary still believe that the ECJ will uphold Ryanair's contention that the conflict is contrary to the whole idea of the EU.
- I think the EU court will take a different view. The cornerstone of the EU is freedom of movement. The Danish model will not be sustainable, says O'Leary.
But Vestager takes a case before the European Court of Justice with serenity. Ryanair will not succeed in beating the Danish model to death, she said.
- We are confident in the expectation that the Danish model, it can be there. And then we also have the competition in organized manners, says Margrethe Vestager.
Two ways to get the case to the ECJ
There are roughly only two ways, Ryanair can try their case before the ECJ.
Either the European Commission initiates an action because it believes Denmark treats Ryanair wrong.
Or, a Danish court sends the case to Brussels. And right now there is not much to suggest that it will be Margrethe Vestager who furthers the matter.
The Danish Labour Court is still in the process of dealing with the case, where trade unions want to gain approval for a sympathy blockade against Ryanair aircraft at the CPH base. Such a blockade would prevent Ryanair to fly out of Copenhagen.
Half of the staff working for very low wages
The blockade is considered as flight personnel on board Ryanair aircraft not operating under Danish agreements. In Ryanair it is customarily about half of flight personnel working under Ryanair's own agreements.
But the other half are recruited from agencies under contract recruitment, which is criticized for very low pay, no payment during illness and holidays as well as charge for uniforms and ID cards. In addition, limiting the contracts of staff freedom of expression.
Labour market researcher Henning Jørgensen from Aalborg University have previously to DR News called the employment contracts "slavery".
The Labour Court will see the parties again on May 20.
That is the clear message from the top place - the European Commissioner for Competition, Margrethe Vestager, to DR News.
- No, it's not in conflict. In fact, quite the contrary. There is room for the Danish model. There is a scope for social partners to take responsibility for how the work is done, says Margrethe Vestager with clear reference to the dispute between Ryanair and the Danish trade union movement.
A message that certainly not becomes Ryanair chief executive, Michael O'Leary, who visited Copenhagen last week, and who believe that the conflict is unambiguously clear, and that it will end up taking the life of the Danish model:
- Ultimately, the Danish model could not survive if faced with European rules on competition and free movement of goods and labor. But we'd rather not have it come to that, says the battle-ready Mr O'Leary.
Ryanair is ready to bring proceedings before the European Court of Justice (ECJ)
Ryanair intends: to devote all necessary efforts to bring the matter to the European Court if they were to lose the case pending in the Danish Labour Court.
But the Ryanair CEO should not expect backing from the former Danish Minister of Economy, who now sits as the head of free and fair competition in Europe.
- There is room in Europe to fight for ones cause. We do not have bloody free liberal competition. We have a fair market in which we ensure order, and that is how I think it should be, says the Danish EU commissioner firmly.
Michael O'Leary still believe that the ECJ will uphold Ryanair's contention that the conflict is contrary to the whole idea of the EU.
- I think the EU court will take a different view. The cornerstone of the EU is freedom of movement. The Danish model will not be sustainable, says O'Leary.
But Vestager takes a case before the European Court of Justice with serenity. Ryanair will not succeed in beating the Danish model to death, she said.
- We are confident in the expectation that the Danish model, it can be there. And then we also have the competition in organized manners, says Margrethe Vestager.
Two ways to get the case to the ECJ
There are roughly only two ways, Ryanair can try their case before the ECJ.
Either the European Commission initiates an action because it believes Denmark treats Ryanair wrong.
Or, a Danish court sends the case to Brussels. And right now there is not much to suggest that it will be Margrethe Vestager who furthers the matter.
The Danish Labour Court is still in the process of dealing with the case, where trade unions want to gain approval for a sympathy blockade against Ryanair aircraft at the CPH base. Such a blockade would prevent Ryanair to fly out of Copenhagen.
Half of the staff working for very low wages
The blockade is considered as flight personnel on board Ryanair aircraft not operating under Danish agreements. In Ryanair it is customarily about half of flight personnel working under Ryanair's own agreements.
But the other half are recruited from agencies under contract recruitment, which is criticized for very low pay, no payment during illness and holidays as well as charge for uniforms and ID cards. In addition, limiting the contracts of staff freedom of expression.
Labour market researcher Henning Jørgensen from Aalborg University have previously to DR News called the employment contracts "slavery".
The Labour Court will see the parties again on May 20.
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The following is translated from the Flight Personnel Union (FPU) web-site by Yours Truly with assistance from Google Translate.
Arbejdsretten behandler hele Ryanair-sagen den 15. juni
Arbejdsretten behandler hele Ryanair-sagen den 15. juni
The Labor Court will rule on the entire Ryanair-case on June 15.
May 20, 2015
The Labor Court has today decided to complete the the entire proceedings in the case about the notice of conflict against Ryanair as served by Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundets on Monday, June 15, 2015. The judgement may fall the same day or probably later.
– We have raised the case being convinced that Flyvebranchens Personaleunion and Serviceforbundet are entitled to demand a collective agreement for Denmark-based Ryanair staff. This implies the right to strike and the possibility of sympathy actions if Ryanair continues to refuse says Peter Nisbeth, barrister for LO [national main organization].
LO has raised the case at the Labor Court, because Ryanair so far has so far refused the demand by Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundet for a collective agreement for the Ryanair staff, pilots and cabin crew, based in Denmark.
Danish labor law enables unions to strike and action in sympathy against companies rejecting the demand for an agreement. Ryanair has previously responded to Serviceforbundet that every initiative to strike and sympathy actions will be met by litigation.
Ryanair claims that the Labor Court must rule according to Irish law and that EU has excepted international air transport from the right to conflict.
– We are convinced that Danish labor law applies here and now we initiate preparations for the June 15 meeting says Peter Nisbeth. However, he emphasizes that there are at least three different outcomes.
– The judges may approve of the unions right to conflict against Ryanair. Or the Labor Court judges may decide to consult the European Court of Justice (ECJ). To treat the case according to Irish law is also a possibility, he says.
LO now awaits the ruling of the Labor Court before Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundet initiates a conflict and call for sympathy actions from other unions.
LO is litigating for Serviceforbundet and a number of other unions in the Labor Court.
Sympathy actions against Ryanair may be initiated by 3F, HK/Privat, Dansk El-Forbund, Blik- og Rørarbejderforbundet, Serviceforbundet and Dansk Metal.
On June 15 the case is scheduled in Labor Court from 14:30 CET in open court.
May 20, 2015
The Labor Court has today decided to complete the the entire proceedings in the case about the notice of conflict against Ryanair as served by Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundets on Monday, June 15, 2015. The judgement may fall the same day or probably later.
– We have raised the case being convinced that Flyvebranchens Personaleunion and Serviceforbundet are entitled to demand a collective agreement for Denmark-based Ryanair staff. This implies the right to strike and the possibility of sympathy actions if Ryanair continues to refuse says Peter Nisbeth, barrister for LO [national main organization].
LO has raised the case at the Labor Court, because Ryanair so far has so far refused the demand by Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundet for a collective agreement for the Ryanair staff, pilots and cabin crew, based in Denmark.
Danish labor law enables unions to strike and action in sympathy against companies rejecting the demand for an agreement. Ryanair has previously responded to Serviceforbundet that every initiative to strike and sympathy actions will be met by litigation.
Ryanair claims that the Labor Court must rule according to Irish law and that EU has excepted international air transport from the right to conflict.
– We are convinced that Danish labor law applies here and now we initiate preparations for the June 15 meeting says Peter Nisbeth. However, he emphasizes that there are at least three different outcomes.
– The judges may approve of the unions right to conflict against Ryanair. Or the Labor Court judges may decide to consult the European Court of Justice (ECJ). To treat the case according to Irish law is also a possibility, he says.
LO now awaits the ruling of the Labor Court before Flyvebranchens Personaleunion/Serviceforbundet initiates a conflict and call for sympathy actions from other unions.
LO is litigating for Serviceforbundet and a number of other unions in the Labor Court.
Sympathy actions against Ryanair may be initiated by 3F, HK/Privat, Dansk El-Forbund, Blik- og Rørarbejderforbundet, Serviceforbundet and Dansk Metal.
On June 15 the case is scheduled in Labor Court from 14:30 CET in open court.
Last edited by dusk2dawn; 22nd May 2015 at 10:46.
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And we wait a little more.....
Following an almost 10 hours long session Monday 15, the Labour Court has withdrawn to contemplate some (5-10 days) over the LO vs Ryanair verdict. It still appears to be a possibility that ECJ in Luxembourg could be asked to air its opinion before the verdict is passed.
For those in command of the Danish language there is a moderately interesting "live transcript" of the proceedings here: http://www.check-in.dk/live-ryanair-vs-lo-i-arbejdsretten#.VX_iFSi_NSB
For those in command of the Danish language there is a moderately interesting "live transcript" of the proceedings here: http://www.check-in.dk/live-ryanair-vs-lo-i-arbejdsretten#.VX_iFSi_NSB
Last edited by dusk2dawn; 16th Jun 2015 at 08:48. Reason: Add link
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According to DR Nyheder the Danish Labor Court will pass its verdict on July, 1. at 1400 CET.
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Unions win, Ryanair lose.
Fights on!
Fights on!
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Today's ruling means that Ryanair has lost all 3 cases it had in the Danish courts.
What this ruling means, is that within 5 days the unions are legally allowed to launch labour actions against Ryanair in both CPH and BLL.
Ryanair has 3 options:
1) Close the bases and serve DK from other bases only
2) Sign a CLA with DK based staff
3) Leave the DK market
Since 2) is not going to happen, one is quietly hoping for 3).
What this ruling means, is that within 5 days the unions are legally allowed to launch labour actions against Ryanair in both CPH and BLL.
Ryanair has 3 options:
1) Close the bases and serve DK from other bases only
2) Sign a CLA with DK based staff
3) Leave the DK market
Since 2) is not going to happen, one is quietly hoping for 3).
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Seems like FR will serve CPH from other bases! Radio Denmark reports that the CPH - WMI route will be discontinued from July 15th due to an " operational revision". This need not be related to today's Labour court ruling however the route happens to be the last of the daily rotation of the one a/c based at CPH.
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Ryanair dropped by for a meeting with the unions yesterday, which lasted all of 8 minutes. Ryanair are not interested in signing a CLA with any union, and that put a quick end to the talks.
Following the meeting, the union advised action will commence in CPH on the 18th of July, and in BLL and AAR on the 23rd. In response Ryanair have advised they will close the bases in both CPH and BLL, with CPH set to close on the 14th and BLL on or around the 20th.
As a consequence of Ryanair no longer having staff based in Denmark, the unions will be calling off the conflict. Ryanair may therefore continue to offer services out of Denmark, but will not be basing aircraft there. This will result in the more profitable early morning departures, and late evening arrivals, being discontinued.
All in all this will mean the loss of around 50 jobs in Denmark, the vast majority of which are expat contract cabin crew working for a pittance and hardly contributing anything to the Danish tax system. In the greater scheme of things this is a price not even worth mentioning, when fighting to protect the Danish labour model.
In the mean time, in Italy, Ryanair have just been handed a massive fine for failure to pay social contributions for their staff based there. Furthermore, the Italian legal system is about to launch a criminal, repeat criminal, case against MoL personally.
Following the meeting, the union advised action will commence in CPH on the 18th of July, and in BLL and AAR on the 23rd. In response Ryanair have advised they will close the bases in both CPH and BLL, with CPH set to close on the 14th and BLL on or around the 20th.
As a consequence of Ryanair no longer having staff based in Denmark, the unions will be calling off the conflict. Ryanair may therefore continue to offer services out of Denmark, but will not be basing aircraft there. This will result in the more profitable early morning departures, and late evening arrivals, being discontinued.
All in all this will mean the loss of around 50 jobs in Denmark, the vast majority of which are expat contract cabin crew working for a pittance and hardly contributing anything to the Danish tax system. In the greater scheme of things this is a price not even worth mentioning, when fighting to protect the Danish labour model.
In the mean time, in Italy, Ryanair have just been handed a massive fine for failure to pay social contributions for their staff based there. Furthermore, the Italian legal system is about to launch a criminal, repeat criminal, case against MoL personally.
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Hypothetical question, if NAS based expat crews on OSM contracts in Denmark without a collective agreement, would that be OK as they are a Scandi outfit or id the playing field level really inclined!
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To the poster above: No, that would not be ok. Hence the reason Norwegian has a CLA with a Danish union for their CPH based staff.
Nobody's asking Ryanair anything special, only that they abide by the same rules as everyone else based in Denmark. They won't, so they're buggering off. And good riddance to them!
Nobody's asking Ryanair anything special, only that they abide by the same rules as everyone else based in Denmark. They won't, so they're buggering off. And good riddance to them!
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Member, Does OSM have an agreement with the unions? I don't think so reading the NAS threads..it may be permanent core pilots at CPH do but they do not work for OSM..its a pity aviation has sunk to the low levels where crews become political pawns, I am sure Denmark would have benefitted from cultural differences brought by the Irish invaders! Ryanair claimed their action was due to blockading of their operations, almost secondary picketing. Is it the case the Danish unions do not recognise the Ryanair pilots association or the protection of Danish Labour laws that is the crux of the matter?
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I am sure Denmark would have benefitted from cultural differences brought by the Irish invaders!
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No summer holiday? did you actually ask fit it? anyway, at least you can laugh about it, more than can be said for some: The Danish Don't Have the Secret to Happiness - The Atlantic
Ok back to topic, I think Ryanair will not shed a tear over this divorce
Ok back to topic, I think Ryanair will not shed a tear over this divorce