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Old 11th Jan 2010, 10:19   #1 (permalink)
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List of "Pay-to-Fly" airlines

Hello, I urgently need a list of "Pay-to-Fly" Airlines, if possible with their rates/conditions.

Let me assure you that this slavery will end soon... mark my words.
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FlyNiki is one
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International or just UK?

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I don't think FR strictly counts as PTF as it is a SSTR and you are paid to fly rather than the other way around.
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Hello, I urgently need a list of "Pay-to-Fly" Airlines, if possible with their rates/conditions.

Let me assure you that this slavery will end soon... mark my words.
ahahahah!

Good Jocke

BTW, what do you call pay to fly airlines?? paying for a type rating? line training? working for low salary? what could we call a low salary? is there a minimum salary in this profession?...
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:35   #7 (permalink)
 
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I have it on high authority a leading UK newspaper is working on a story about the UK industry slavery pilots after the guardian article. It is going to be juicy, and a few people named and shamed. If I was a journalist I know what catchy headline I would use

"This is your passenger speaking!!!!":

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Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:51   #8 (permalink)
 
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Fly LAL, Royal Air Maroc, FlyNiki, and also TunisAir all through Eaglejet. No pay during line training. No pay full stop unless offered a contract at the end of line training package.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:57   #9 (permalink)
 
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They're not, they even PAID TRs for the people who joined them straight out of flight school.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:58   #10 (permalink)
 
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Don't make me laugh. This is the low cost established business model and it'll take more than a days newpaper headlines to change it.

Don't get me wrong I too think it's disgraceful and utterly condemn what the low costs have done to our industry, but it won't change.

Good on ya for trying though!
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 13:59   #11 (permalink)
 
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They are(FlyNiki). They have taken Eaglejet low hour guys. They also do their own thing with regard to paying for line training through their flight academy flyniki - the programme of courses offered by the Flight Academy

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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:03   #12 (permalink)
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WidebodyWillie,
That attitude is exactly what brought us in this mess. Action Boys and girls!
Who wrote to the Guardian/ Independent/ Times/BBC/SKY News/El Pais/ Le Figaro/ La Republica/De Telegraaf,... already? Do it!
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:07   #13 (permalink)
 
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I believe Air Asia (Malaysian LCC) also has or had a SSTR scheme followed by pay xxxUSD for xxx amount of line hours. However, I am led to believe that visas for these European folks were never eventually approved so I am not sure whether they managed to get flying or not.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:08   #14 (permalink)
 
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fish

Have a look on this site:

Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots left side you got a list of "JAA ATPL flight school" whatever that means... They are all playing the Pimp for those low sh>>ty airlines' management. You will find lots of "pilot murderers"

Even Swiss plays this game... with of course no contract at the end of your "self suicide sponsor".
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:22   #15 (permalink)
 
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Gol Linhas Aéreas (GLO or G3) from Brazil, some pilot´s pay for a course with the name Jet Trainer about 45K Reais (20K Dollars). This course doesn´t give you a Type Rate, but make all the cadet´s to join the company.

By the brazilian laws, the cadet´s can´t pay to apply, for Type Rate, For Training or something like that and need to receive salary in line training.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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I'm fed up with everything. I have not been able to work for 1.5 years. Typed in 4 different jets (B744, B747, LR-Jet, IA-Jet), 4000 hours, JAA and FAA licensed. For shits and grins, I applied to RYR's Training organization 6 months ago. They promptly informed me that I do no fit into the cadet scheme. Hell, I never knew a little experience was a bad thing...this is simply retarded. This industry is a frickin' joke. Currently, I work at the cash register at my local supermarket. Guess what...I didn't have to pay Tesco to learn how to use the cash register! There is a god!
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 14:28   #17 (permalink)
 
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Lion Air in Indonesia via EagleJet. They also use CAE although don't think that deal is like the EagleJet one.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 15:07   #18 (permalink)
 
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At Last!

Good effort!

Although I don't think Capt. J Curd is to blame for the mess we are in as an industry. As far as I know he did some base training for STORM not CTC or Oxford. It was not an EZY get rich scheme.

There was another couple of EZY Capts who had an ATP thing going in Holland in 2008 which was basically PTF.
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 15:13   #19 (permalink)
 
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Devil RYR

Pay for CV to be read
Pay for Interview/SIM check
Pay for 737 Rating (30k)
Pay for Uniform
Pay for Food and coffee on duty
Pay to set up your own company under Brookfield Contract

Pay for LPC renewals?
etc etc
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Old 11th Jan 2010, 15:23   #20 (permalink)
 
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You dont pay for your cv to be read. You dont pay to setup a company. They pay you when you start flying pax.You do pay for the rating, uniform, coffee and sim. Sim is deducted from your wages directly. After line training the rate is 60 euros per hour less 4.50 euros. So that would be 56.50. Then its 70.50 less 4.50 then its 78 euros less 4.50. On average cadets do between 600 and 700 hours a year. And guess what they are payed for those hours. Imagine that!
Not the best deal that was ever put on the table but a million miles from these OTHER by definition "PAY TO FLY pax SCHEMES"

P.S. By the time all the taxes are claimed back for the type rating it ends costing in the region 14. When the company is setup the cadet is immediately entitled to 5 and half k back( does not apply if type rating is done in Swedan because of no vat and the Dutch authorities take their time sorting that out if you have done training in Holland I believe). The rest of the rating is claimed as a company expense and you get half of it back as tax relief. Tea bags, uniform, can be included too. Not ideal but just about workable.

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