Age Discrimination at Emirates
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Age Discrimination at Emirates
Hello all,
I have recieved a rejection letter from Emirates, the reason being my age. I am fully active and current, typed on the 330, with over 13K total hours, 6k captain, full of spunk and life and willing to contribute to their success as a productive First Officer....never mind my age, 54.
Yet I am refused even the option; they have never seen me, they donīt know that I am in better shape now than when in my 30īs and that I hold many thousands of hours, incident-free, in airline operation world-wide.
Great, so now because of my age I can sit back and watch my life fall apart, all the struggles and studies for nothing, lose my house, who the hell cares, theres a zillion young game boys and girls to be exploited....
Iīm angry....anybody else ??
I have recieved a rejection letter from Emirates, the reason being my age. I am fully active and current, typed on the 330, with over 13K total hours, 6k captain, full of spunk and life and willing to contribute to their success as a productive First Officer....never mind my age, 54.
Yet I am refused even the option; they have never seen me, they donīt know that I am in better shape now than when in my 30īs and that I hold many thousands of hours, incident-free, in airline operation world-wide.
Great, so now because of my age I can sit back and watch my life fall apart, all the struggles and studies for nothing, lose my house, who the hell cares, theres a zillion young game boys and girls to be exploited....
Iīm angry....anybody else ??
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As a 54 yo FO they may not think that they will get enough "service life" out of you, irregardless how great you may be. (I don't know EK's retirement age, btw)
With your experience, why not go on a contract? There's plenty of contract gigs out there for guys like you-as captain, even.
And what is discrimination in one part of the world, is perfectly accepted in another! It's their playground, and their rules, not your likes!
Good luck, anyway.
With your experience, why not go on a contract? There's plenty of contract gigs out there for guys like you-as captain, even.
And what is discrimination in one part of the world, is perfectly accepted in another! It's their playground, and their rules, not your likes!
Good luck, anyway.
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Reading your short CV it springs to mind that you may appear overqualified as a future FO. Some very young and much less experienced just Upgrades might be intimidated by too much from the right.
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They may discriminate on recruitment but once you are in, those "zillion young game boys and girls to be exploited" are equally treated compared to their elder colleagues.
So there's no exploitation based on age. Given the EK requirements, you'd better show some respect for those "zillion young game boys and girls" who have a min of 4000 hours, are in their 30-40's, and try to build their life.
I suggest a better analysis, put things in perspective: you will not lose your house because of your age, you may lose it because of your mis-planning.
Make good use of your experience/expertise and good luck.
So there's no exploitation based on age. Given the EK requirements, you'd better show some respect for those "zillion young game boys and girls" who have a min of 4000 hours, are in their 30-40's, and try to build their life.
I suggest a better analysis, put things in perspective: you will not lose your house because of your age, you may lose it because of your mis-planning.
Make good use of your experience/expertise and good luck.
AFDS,
Seems to me you think your age gives you the RIGHT to be employed by Emirates, and I'd like to know where that rather abnoxious attitude comes from.
We currently have thousands of applications for what will be MAYBE 100 positions this year (and quite possibly less). The company will pick those that it believes will be most beneficial to the future of the company.
A 35yo with our minimum qualifications will potentially return 30 years of service for the investment in training, you a maximum of 10. It is also a statistical fact that people in your age braket have higher instances of medical problems and can be harder to train. It is an unpalletable fact of life that advancing age makes you less employable than an equally qualified youngster, but neither Emirates or the rest of the world owes you a living.
BTW, 13K is actually a little light on for your age.
Seems to me you think your age gives you the RIGHT to be employed by Emirates, and I'd like to know where that rather abnoxious attitude comes from.
We currently have thousands of applications for what will be MAYBE 100 positions this year (and quite possibly less). The company will pick those that it believes will be most beneficial to the future of the company.
A 35yo with our minimum qualifications will potentially return 30 years of service for the investment in training, you a maximum of 10. It is also a statistical fact that people in your age braket have higher instances of medical problems and can be harder to train. It is an unpalletable fact of life that advancing age makes you less employable than an equally qualified youngster, but neither Emirates or the rest of the world owes you a living.
BTW, 13K is actually a little light on for your age.
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Abnoxious I am not you little snot
Ah ha, I thought Iīd get this kind of answer from the likes of both shortfuel and wizofoz...13000 hours, REAL HOURS, on the line in DC-3, Convair, F50, Bae ATP, B 737 and 320/330 is short ? Short of what ? A title to honourable astronaut ? Give me a break.
This is about age discrimination, not your opinion on how I have planned my life...you are arrogant and abnoxious and believe me, you might one day find yourself in my position....let me remind you you have NO BLOODY IDEA why I am where I am, itīs none of your business anyway.
Just reflect, if you are able, on the age discrimination thread and keep away from my life management issue.
This is about age discrimination, not your opinion on how I have planned my life...you are arrogant and abnoxious and believe me, you might one day find yourself in my position....let me remind you you have NO BLOODY IDEA why I am where I am, itīs none of your business anyway.
Just reflect, if you are able, on the age discrimination thread and keep away from my life management issue.
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ADFS, not angry and not surprised! As has been observed already, it's their ball, and they can decide who gets to play with it. It's a competitive world out there everyone, and for us older guys, even more so, but no-one owes us a living. Go forth and spread a bit of experience and happiness around!
I see you point.
Maybe if the age laws in EU hadn't been set then there would be jobs closer to home?
Why people carry on post 60 [unless necessary] is beyond me.... I do know some that can't let go of the gold braid and so called status crap. Quite a few sad cases out there. Not all of them tho, I must stress.
Good luck with your job hunt.
Maybe if the age laws in EU hadn't been set then there would be jobs closer to home?
Why people carry on post 60 [unless necessary] is beyond me.... I do know some that can't let go of the gold braid and so called status crap. Quite a few sad cases out there. Not all of them tho, I must stress.
Good luck with your job hunt.
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We have more than jes' age discrimination here at EK... that's jes' the tip a the brandin' iron...
EK discriminates against yer religion (ya'll better not be sayin' "shalom" instead a "salam") Apologies to u-know-who, who's the sole exception I'm aware of.
EK discriminates against yer nationality (see above para...)
EK discriminates against yer body mass index... (glad to hear yer in good shape fer such an ol' guy!)
EK discriminates against yer nationality once yer hired... if yer a local ya git all kinds a stuff here the rest of us expats don't: better pay, a pension, different medical, dental and housin'. Different work rules - when it comes ta certain times a tha year there's a dearth of locals on night turnarounds...
The whole country discriminates against ya 'cause yer white and the wrong religion - do a little readin' about the deeper aspects of the local faith an' you'l be real surprised. Discriminatin' against wimmen is still rampant here - in the judiciary the word of two wimmen = one man...
So, if yer a little up tight about discrimination, well pilgrim I'd recommend you be discriminat-ing and choose another place to apply.
The world ain't a fair place. Remember a level playin' field is still designed to produce a winner...
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EK discriminates against yer religion (ya'll better not be sayin' "shalom" instead a "salam") Apologies to u-know-who, who's the sole exception I'm aware of.
EK discriminates against yer nationality (see above para...)
EK discriminates against yer body mass index... (glad to hear yer in good shape fer such an ol' guy!)
EK discriminates against yer nationality once yer hired... if yer a local ya git all kinds a stuff here the rest of us expats don't: better pay, a pension, different medical, dental and housin'. Different work rules - when it comes ta certain times a tha year there's a dearth of locals on night turnarounds...
The whole country discriminates against ya 'cause yer white and the wrong religion - do a little readin' about the deeper aspects of the local faith an' you'l be real surprised. Discriminatin' against wimmen is still rampant here - in the judiciary the word of two wimmen = one man...
So, if yer a little up tight about discrimination, well pilgrim I'd recommend you be discriminat-ing and choose another place to apply.
The world ain't a fair place. Remember a level playin' field is still designed to produce a winner...
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Back to Desert
I wouldn't worry about EK matey, they are about to crumble back into the desert!
Simon Jenkins: As they did Ozymandias, the dunes will reclaim the soaring folly of Dubai | Comment is free | The Guardian
CX currently doing a roaring trade one way DXB-HKG-MNL for all those cheap labourers no longer required.
Simon Jenkins: As they did Ozymandias, the dunes will reclaim the soaring folly of Dubai | Comment is free | The Guardian
CX currently doing a roaring trade one way DXB-HKG-MNL for all those cheap labourers no longer required.
This is about age discrimination,
Great, so now because of my age I can sit back and watch my life fall apart, all the struggles and studies for nothing, lose my house, who the hell cares, theres a zillion young game boys and girls to be exploited....
747- Yep, Dubai is in big trouble- However Emirates is not (solely) dependent on the UAE economy, so, while things ain't great, we will probably get through.
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EK should have done like these so-called "equal opportunity" employers by rejecting you with no reason perhaps...
Would you be less angry?
I am sure you expected such answers given the tone of your post, you have good reasons to be angry at EK's decision, but try to keep your fellow younger colleagues out of this.
A young game boy.
Would you be less angry?
I am sure you expected such answers given the tone of your post, you have good reasons to be angry at EK's decision, but try to keep your fellow younger colleagues out of this.
A young game boy.
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you have good reasons to be angry at EK's decision
Unfortunatly, you don't meet the company requirements which means your application will not be processed.
That's a hard one to hear, but if you chose a life in aviation, you know that's not unusual.
Have you tried Etihad, Qatar, Gulf Air etc?
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First off, I know ADFS. He is not a whiner, he is a winner, been around for donkey years....but going through a bit of bad luck....his argument is that because of AGE, he will not even be considered...he does not expect anyone to give him a free job, he can damn well earn it...but todays world is clsoing in on those over 45, mark his words....and wizofoz, you can stuff your opinion.
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Just reflect, if you are able, on the age discrimination thread and keep away from my life management issue
Age discrimination, or "age preferences" have no legal recognition in the middle east and asia. For ladies, age 30 already is old by HGK standards; that's why you won't find those potato shaped grandma flight attendants of United Airlines aboard asian carriers.
For guys like you, applying as one age-54 copilot would raise competency issues. Why are you still a copilot at age 54? Why would you be applying as a copilot with 6,000 hours pic? Why, at age 54, with 13,000 total hours, do you have more hours as a copilot than as a captain?
As an experienced captain applicant, age 54 DEC [Direct Entry Captain] would not be age sensitive.
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Chill dude
Now are tough times and there many more pilots than jobs.
The upswing will come and with it the greatest pilot shortage yet seen.
Nowadays loans are not being extended to prospective students wishing to complete professional training.
Others are deterred by the poor job security in the industry.
Recently completed CPLs are turning to non aviation careers as there are no jobs out there for them. More and more furloughed experienced pilots will be time expired as time goes by.
Then the upswing will come, and companies like Emirates and their snotty ambassadors will come running after you with their hats in their hands, even if you are way older than 54.
Keep a job - any flying job, and your time will come.
Chill dude
Now are tough times and there many more pilots than jobs.
The upswing will come and with it the greatest pilot shortage yet seen.
Nowadays loans are not being extended to prospective students wishing to complete professional training.
Others are deterred by the poor job security in the industry.
Recently completed CPLs are turning to non aviation careers as there are no jobs out there for them. More and more furloughed experienced pilots will be time expired as time goes by.
Then the upswing will come, and companies like Emirates and their snotty ambassadors will come running after you with their hats in their hands, even if you are way older than 54.
Keep a job - any flying job, and your time will come.
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Why dont you apply to British Airways??? Oh yes you cant due to their 40years upper age limit!!! Its not just an Emirates thing mate. Who else have you applied to and what response (if any) did you get?
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Do none of those jobs on flightglobal.com for A330 Captains NOT exist? I would have thought, looking at this website that the A330 is the top of the list when it comes to "fleet type" to be current on. I for one wish I had your problem and I bet there are plenty others like me. Let me know if these jobs are bogus! Good Luck anyway.
Do none of those jobs on flightglobal.com for A330 Captains NOT exist? I would have thought, looking at this website that the A330 is the top of the list when it comes to "fleet type" to be current on. I for one wish I had your problem and I bet there are plenty others like me. Let me know if these jobs are bogus! Good Luck anyway.
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No airline has an age limit in the EU any more courtesy of EU age discrimination laws. This law is also what's contributing to massive stagnation in EU airlines (and increasing the wage bill) at the same time as the downturn 
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Not to worry, ADFS, you will find a position in due course...just keep trying.
In my humble opinion, the older, experienced First Officer is certainly a pleasure to fly with, as they have nothing to 'prove'...they normally just do the job to everyone's complete satisfaction.
In my humble opinion, the older, experienced First Officer is certainly a pleasure to fly with, as they have nothing to 'prove'...they normally just do the job to everyone's complete satisfaction.