737 control yoke grasp ?
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737 control yoke grasp ?
dear everyone ,
what is the correct or "advised" way to grasp the 737 control yoke . someone told me two fingers below the radio transmitter buttun . someone said three.
can anybody give me any clue or where to find the boeing standard?
what is the correct or "advised" way to grasp the 737 control yoke . someone told me two fingers below the radio transmitter buttun . someone said three.
can anybody give me any clue or where to find the boeing standard?
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At the risk, otherwise, of having a thread with 400 catty comments ..
(a) for a first jet endorsement, there is a general tendency for the new pilot to be a bit heavy handed with significant overcontrolling being the result.
(b) it may be useful, at the start, to try the two-fingered technique to force the pilot to use a light touch on the control wheel.
(c) after a while, one finds that the pilot gets the hang of what is required and reverts to a normal grip .. but with a light touch.
I suggest you don't sweat it too much .. things will start out a bit difficult to catch up .. but it all settles down after a few sim sessions ...
(a) for a first jet endorsement, there is a general tendency for the new pilot to be a bit heavy handed with significant overcontrolling being the result.
(b) it may be useful, at the start, to try the two-fingered technique to force the pilot to use a light touch on the control wheel.
(c) after a while, one finds that the pilot gets the hang of what is required and reverts to a normal grip .. but with a light touch.
I suggest you don't sweat it too much .. things will start out a bit difficult to catch up .. but it all settles down after a few sim sessions ...
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It depends....
It depends if the yoke is equipped with an air bag or not.
If no (older 737s), the left hand at the 10 o'clock, the right hand at the
2 o'clock.
If yes (newer and updated older versions), the left hand at the 8 o'clock,
and the right hand at the four o'clock.
Your maintenance engineer will be able to tell you if you have an air bag
or not.
Fly safe,
PantLoad
If no (older 737s), the left hand at the 10 o'clock, the right hand at the
2 o'clock.
If yes (newer and updated older versions), the left hand at the 8 o'clock,
and the right hand at the four o'clock.
Your maintenance engineer will be able to tell you if you have an air bag
or not.
Fly safe,
PantLoad
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@Sky-738
2 Possibilities come to mind:
A- You're being genuine and asking an innocent question
B- You're fishing
If B is correct, then Have at it... Good one! LOL.
On the other hand... if A.... Then cool, you might learn a bit more from that question than you hoped for (though perhaps not quite what you had hoped)
Real World Aviation - Lesson 1
Item - Z -
Thick skin is a requirement! If you're a sensitive type and haven't quite got the knack for standing tall while being ridiculed or dressed down, don't fret it, there's no need to head to the next 'football match' wearing the wrong team's colours... Simply don any of the many Maggie masks available and head off to your nearest pub.... Don't remove the mask and try to stay there 'til closing if you can. Resist the temptation to run away screaming. Remember, later on, if it's someone on the airplane giving you the needles, there's nowhere to run, so you have to learn to stand pat.
This is as good a place to start as anywhere.
Listen mate, I don't even fly, I'm just an AME so you've got one up on me already!
I think you'll find there is really no "standard" grasp for the yoke.... It's sorta like grabbing hold of your own willy... you do it however it feels right to you and if you were to ask a room of gents how to do that you might wind up hearing a bit of chuckling.
Cheers!
PS... One more thing... Sometime down the road, you'll probably hear some instructor or another tell you "there are no dumb questions!", and you'll probably immediately recall this event and flush a little... But then you'll recall this little bit of unintended learning about the much more serious matter of Thick Skin! Neat huh!?
And I'm being serious when I tell you I think that is one of the more common reasons some people leave this bizz. Some folks just can't grow a layer of leather.
3hl
A- You're being genuine and asking an innocent question
B- You're fishing
If B is correct, then Have at it... Good one! LOL.
On the other hand... if A.... Then cool, you might learn a bit more from that question than you hoped for (though perhaps not quite what you had hoped)
Real World Aviation - Lesson 1
Item - Z -
Thick skin is a requirement! If you're a sensitive type and haven't quite got the knack for standing tall while being ridiculed or dressed down, don't fret it, there's no need to head to the next 'football match' wearing the wrong team's colours... Simply don any of the many Maggie masks available and head off to your nearest pub.... Don't remove the mask and try to stay there 'til closing if you can. Resist the temptation to run away screaming. Remember, later on, if it's someone on the airplane giving you the needles, there's nowhere to run, so you have to learn to stand pat.
This is as good a place to start as anywhere.
Listen mate, I don't even fly, I'm just an AME so you've got one up on me already!
I think you'll find there is really no "standard" grasp for the yoke.... It's sorta like grabbing hold of your own willy... you do it however it feels right to you and if you were to ask a room of gents how to do that you might wind up hearing a bit of chuckling.
Cheers!
PS... One more thing... Sometime down the road, you'll probably hear some instructor or another tell you "there are no dumb questions!", and you'll probably immediately recall this event and flush a little... But then you'll recall this little bit of unintended learning about the much more serious matter of Thick Skin! Neat huh!?
And I'm being serious when I tell you I think that is one of the more common reasons some people leave this bizz. Some folks just can't grow a layer of leather.
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THE PEN 15 ENVY?
Not a new concept in flying training!
Too many years ago my first Chipmunk QFI, guessing correctly that my fist was performing destructive crush testing on the top of that lovely aircraft's control column, came out with the memorable "Don't hang onto it like a trapeze artist with no safety net, hold it like a princess holds a navvy's cock-between the finger and thumb of your right hand!"
After that my efforts improved sufficient to leave me currently playing with the yoke of the"NG" 18,000+ hours later.
Is this any help..................................?
Too many years ago my first Chipmunk QFI, guessing correctly that my fist was performing destructive crush testing on the top of that lovely aircraft's control column, came out with the memorable "Don't hang onto it like a trapeze artist with no safety net, hold it like a princess holds a navvy's cock-between the finger and thumb of your right hand!"
After that my efforts improved sufficient to leave me currently playing with the yoke of the"NG" 18,000+ hours later.
Is this any help..................................?
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PEDANTIC FARTS
I first heard of this thumb/finger wheel admonishment in the World's Favourite Airline way back in 90s.
If true it's a damning insight to our instructional environment.
Amazing what training staff can invent by way of belittling the line dogs?
Perhaps more thorough and exhaustive psycho-testing would be appropriate before TRI/TREs are trained then let loose on the great unwashed.
Maybe there's material here for a completely new thread, contribute with your hopefully true anecdotes and shame them into embarrassed silence at last??? Dream on old man....................
If true it's a damning insight to our instructional environment.
Amazing what training staff can invent by way of belittling the line dogs?
Perhaps more thorough and exhaustive psycho-testing would be appropriate before TRI/TREs are trained then let loose on the great unwashed.
Maybe there's material here for a completely new thread, contribute with your hopefully true anecdotes and shame them into embarrassed silence at last??? Dream on old man....................
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FIRM GRASP OF THE NON-ESSENTIALS.
Indeed BOAC, I am reminded of the cartoon by 'Figment', I believe, which shows the 2 line guys in their seats post-impact, wreckage all around and the trainer standing behind them saying "and now a few points for my own benefit! ";
Many a true word is spoken in jest, but my comments on the standardisation of training staff still stand.
Maybe when you shed the light blue for the dark version you recall the contrast between the fairly uniform and standard behaviour of mil QFIs who's brains had been reprogrammed by CFS and the motley bunch of civilian trainers who seemed to specialise in producing and preaching from their own hymn sheets?
Anyone out there who thinks this potential thread could be informative?
I'm past feeding the assessors snippets for them to use against me, now humbly glad enough to get the licence signed and go on my way to get the job done with the minimum of aggro!
Many a true word is spoken in jest, but my comments on the standardisation of training staff still stand.
Maybe when you shed the light blue for the dark version you recall the contrast between the fairly uniform and standard behaviour of mil QFIs who's brains had been reprogrammed by CFS and the motley bunch of civilian trainers who seemed to specialise in producing and preaching from their own hymn sheets?
Anyone out there who thinks this potential thread could be informative?
I'm past feeding the assessors snippets for them to use against me, now humbly glad enough to get the licence signed and go on my way to get the job done with the minimum of aggro!
