Armed Flight Crew -Question??

[ShotOne]

Which countries allow pilots and other flight crew members to carry guns? It's well publicised that the USA and Israel do so. I think also Korea, Russia and Egypt. Where else?

Please note this is a request for information not opinions on the pros and cons.

[toppledgyro]

You will not get any replies on this - it is not the type of question that any professional pilot would answer as all information regarding security measures is highly confidential.

Mods - please close this thread.

[flyr767]

topple, give me a break. To the OP, I haven't any idea.

[ShotOne]

It isn't confidential, toppled. For the most part these policies have deliberately been given wide publicity.

[Rainboe]

Nevertheless, it is not something to be talked about. So don't.

[TopBunk]

It isn't confidential, toppled. For the most part these policies have deliberately been given wide publicity.

So go away and research it yourself! Don't make it any easier for the bad guys.

Why do you need to know anyway

[Scott Diamond]

What sort of ridiculous question is that??? Why the hell do you need to know to the extent you post on a public forum asking? Request for information for what purpose?

[CraigJL]

It's a matter of curiosity to me also, but given the unstable nature of the topic, I agree it shouldn't be about the why, just where.

Nonetheless, if that's not keeping with the forum rules, then

[411A]

A few years ago, discussing the armed FD crew concept with a senior UAL Captain, I asked him...
Suppose, that during the flight, you had a violent disagreement with your First Officer (and, make no mistake, during the flight, that F/O does belong to the Commander, like it or not, by the younger crowd) and his reply was...'I'd shoot the SOB.'

Hmmm, seems to me a pretty good reason to keep firearms firmly off the FD.

[non iron]

As long as the axe is within the captains reach agreed.

[Mr Optimistic]

please God not on the subcontinent

...could also be a disincentive for stroppy pursors

[SNS3Guppy]

(and, make no mistake, during the flight, that F/O does belong to the Commander, like it or not, by the younger crowd)

WRONG!

That attitude has gotten crews killed before.

[ShotOne]

Glad to see 411 relaxed as ever! The rights and wrongs of the Federal Flight Deck Officer programme were debated at length, in public, by elected representatives. It was then reported in detail in the press and media. I'm baffled why some ppruners now feel it should be confidential.

[muduckace]

The whole issue of a loaded firearm on an aircraft, in the hands of even a trained professional "marshall" is foolish, especially in the flight deck. There is nothing to stop a flight crew member from beating a weaker flight crew member senseless then turning an aircraft into a much larger more powerfull weapon than a firearm anyways.

A bunch of idiots flying around with a false sense of security. Don't get me wrong, I like fire arms. I see much more of a need to carry though in a poor neighborhood than on an aircraft. The part of the country I live in most home invasions happen between 10am and 2pm for the simple fact that just about everyone has some form of a firearm in their home.


Now there are other effective weapons that may be more suitable for the cockpit if you wish to apply the same mentality of scaring the flying public into submission.

[tailstrikecharles]

Suppose, that during the flight, you had a violent disagreement with your First Officer (and, make no mistake, during the flight, that F/O does belong to the Commander, like it or not, by the younger crowd) and his reply was...'I'd shoot the SOB.'

Hmmm, seems to me a pretty good reason to keep firearms firmly off the FD.

I'd say it speaks to the opposite.
A violent disagreement?

" The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the EgyptAir flight 990 accident is the airplane's departure from normal cruise flight and subsequent impact with the Atlantic Ocean as a result of the relief first officer's flight control inputs. The reason for the relief first officer's actions was not determined."

At least a taser

Edit: I agree a list of which airlines are or are not armed is totally crazy - if its out there, let the looker find it himself - discussing the merits or lack of merit is different

[muduckace]

tailstrikecharles

At least a taser

Not even, sure egypt air is unknown, but that pen or even better a sharpened pencil at your knee driven into the temple would quickly kill the other pilot. There is no true and absolute security, our fear based frenzy driven by governments and media is rediculous.

[411A]

WRONG!

Have to disagree.
The Commander signs for the aircraft, the crew is assigned, and is under the direction of, the Commander.

At least that is the way it works where I fly...dunno about your particular situation.

[sharpshooter41]

411A

Respectfully, I would like to disagree with you.

"F/O does belong to the Commander" is quite different from " is under the direction of, the Commander".

Sir, CRM has been around for sometime now... And I am sure you know why it is there.

Yes, Captain is the one who has the overall responsibility for the safe conduct of the flight but to think that the F/O is only there as a decoration piece, means that you have not fully understood the benefits of CRM.

[Spooky 2]

Please don't get the Commander started down this road....again!

[411A]

...but to think that the F/O is only there as a decoration piece...

Never said such, sharpshooter, however...you should understand that the First Officer is assigned to the Commanders crew, and is responsible to him (her) in every respect.
The company says so.
The regulatory authority says so.

Do you disagree?

PS:
If you do disagree, I would suggest another job for your good self.