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Old 10th Nov 2017, 11:43   #1 (permalink)
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Singapore Airlines have retired Its first A380 (reg. 9V-SKA) and will store it in France next week. Seems a bit early at just ten years?
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How many hours does it have? Some of the long haul airframes clock up some big hours over a 10 year period....

More economical to sell it off to another carrier and get a new one....
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It was apparently the third test airframe but I can't locate the reference
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Didn't the lease expire after 10 years?
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SIA are known for keeping a young fleet, their latest orders will see an average age of a little over 7 years for their aircraft. At 10 years old this one was past it by their standards.

New aircraft are more appealing to passengers, require less maintenance and are more fuel efficient.
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SIA are known for keeping a young fleet, their latest orders will see an average age of a little over 7 years for their aircraft. At 10 years old this one was past it by their standards.

New aircraft are more appealing to passengers, require less maintenance and are more fuel efficient.
How would the average pax know the age of an aircraft?
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because they look shiny and smell new..... how do you tell a new car when you're in one?

they always said this one would be retired earlier due to test history etc.

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How would the average pax know the age of an aircraft?
Exactly, the average pax can burn to death in an aircraft of any age.
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because they look shiny and smell new..... how do you tell a new car when you're in one?

they always said this one would be retired earlier due to test history etc.
Slap on a new paint job and refresh the interior and your average Pax would never know the difference.
I remember many years ago whilst flying out of SNN to LHR with Aer Lingus , I overhead a conversation between two pax saying they were glad they were not flying on that old thing pointing to the EIN B734 that was looking a little rough around the edges. The two pax in question were flying on an ancient EAL/AB Shannon BAC 1-11, but it did have nice, shiny paintwork
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I'm pretty sure SKB has already been parked too. Last I heard is that HiFly want them? Or if not these two, some other soon to be ex-SQ A380s.
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because they look shiny and smell new..... how do you tell a new car when you're in one?

they always said this one would be retired earlier due to test history etc.
Was in an immaculate Lufthansa B744 recently that both looked and smelled new. It was most certainly wasn't. The average pax has no idea and looks are not indicative of age.

Cars are not aircraft.
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There is a 737-200 that frequents Lasham on a regular basis that looks absolutely immaculate.
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Singapore Airlines have retired Its first A380 (reg. 9V-SKA) and will store it in France next week. Seems a bit early at just ten years?
Fer chris' sake don't tell Michael O'Leary. Just think of the number of seats he would put in at 9.99p each.(carry on luggage only) and he would still get a full load to/from New York.
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Was in an immaculate Lufthansa B744 recently that both looked and smelled new.
Are you sure it was a 747-400? Lufthansa picked up 19 747-8 in the last few years and they don't look all that much different...


As noted previously, Singapore likes to keep a young fleet, and frequently gets rid of aircraft when they come up for 'D' checks.
Are Singapore's A380's leased? if so the lease is probably up and they simply walked away...
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Airlines which operated young aircraft, emphasise this in their advertising. Pictures of the interior are shown and features such as wifi and inflight entertainment highlighted.

Increased passenger comfort from a lower pressurisation level and greater humidity, with less noise and vibration were a major selling point for the B787.

Passengers willing to spend a bit more are likely to respond by purchasing tickets based on the experience rather than the price.

Airlines operating 25 year old B767s and MD80s concentrate on other aspects such as price or a comprehensive route network.

Low cost airlines prefer newer aircraft from the efficiency and reliability point of view, passenger experience is well down the list and little money is spent in this area, the desire being to keep costs as low as possible.
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Are you sure it was a 747-400? Lufthansa picked up 19 747-8 in the last few years and they don't look all that much different...


As noted previously, Singapore likes to keep a young fleet, and frequently gets rid of aircraft when they come up for 'D' checks.
Are Singapore's A380's leased? if so the lease is probably up and they simply walked away...
I'm positive. Was MSN 29493

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Are Singapore's A380's leased? if so the lease is probably up and they simply walked away...
Seems this one is/was leased, from a leasing entity called "Dr Peters Group".

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idUSKCN1B421M
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Long haul ship 16hrs/day.
20 days a month on average.
For 10 years is almost 40,000hrs airframe plus whatever ( fatigue) testing may have been done.
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Some of the long haul airframes clock up some big hours over a 10 year period....
TBH until recently a ten year old Longhaul airframe would in the eyes of many be regarded as only just "run in", and compared to it's short haul brethren would have diddly squat cycles - though I accept the specific airframe in question here may have issues due to it's previous time at Blagnac.

As others have said there are plenty of high hours machines around, the trick is keeping them in good condition from a passnger POV.
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More to the point, there is no second hand market for used A380's.
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