EMA incident? Runway Blocked?
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How would they actually move that aircraft exactly an would it be damaged enough to be written off?
They were lifting it with airbags
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JET2 AT EMA
Just to make it clear, Jet2.com are not a charter airline, they could have just left their pax to rot. Instead of which they did all they could to mitigate the circumstances. Obviously O'Leary's outfit haven't got that far with their charm offensive, they just said tough. I know who I'd rather fly with.
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Watching a report on this evening's local news it was moved on a heavy haulage modular trailer.
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This was them lifting it
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Wasn't there another 737 that left the right main gear in the grass at EMA a few years ago and then continued on? They just need a nose gear now and they will a complete set.
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Good for them, but stacking airbags that high can be very dangerous if you aren't very careful with inflation. The preferred method is to use cribbing and only 1 or 2 airbags. I guess they were careful. My department doesn't even own that many airbags.
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Aircraft departed East Midlands today enroute to Kemble it is believed.
So it may be holding you up on the roads between.
So it may be holding you up on the roads between.
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EY2004/261
Thanks, Nutloose.
Total hyperbole the claim that this makes charter flight cancellations illegal as well as the nonsense spouted by the Mirror.
So what's new?
As the name of the EU law above makes clear,[EU2004/261] the law has been in place for 10 years !
About time the UK courts took cogniscance of it, isn't it?
Jet2 cannot just say "extraordinary circumstances" as a legal-jargon-synonym for "get lost."
The law has absolutely nothing to do with "charter airlines" and applies identically to all airlines.
Though it is very very far from clear that it applies equally to all airlines at/ in all EU jurisdictions.
(I am certain that fairly recently, yet another round of negotiations has begun to "update" this law. But no clear conclusions have been reached as far as I know.)
Total hyperbole the claim that this makes charter flight cancellations illegal as well as the nonsense spouted by the Mirror.
So what's new?
As the name of the EU law above makes clear,[EU2004/261] the law has been in place for 10 years !
About time the UK courts took cogniscance of it, isn't it?
Jet2 cannot just say "extraordinary circumstances" as a legal-jargon-synonym for "get lost."
The law has absolutely nothing to do with "charter airlines" and applies identically to all airlines.
Though it is very very far from clear that it applies equally to all airlines at/ in all EU jurisdictions.
(I am certain that fairly recently, yet another round of negotiations has begun to "update" this law. But no clear conclusions have been reached as far as I know.)
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My understanding (going back many years and pre-EU, thank heavens) is that a charter flight represents a contract between the airline and the booking company, and that failure to fly the flight AT SOME TIME would represent breach of contract. This did not, apparently, apply to scheduled flights which could be 'cancelled' as long as the booked passenger was given some sort of alternative. For the charter flight, the flight number had to 'fly' at some point. I think 'illegal' should read 'breach of contract' which is a little different. I can certainly remember DanAir Ops saying the same - about needing to operate the flight.
Of course this may/probably will have changed over the years, but I think the basis is still there. We are obviously into lawyer infested waters here.
Of course this may/probably will have changed over the years, but I think the basis is still there. We are obviously into lawyer infested waters here.
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"Things have changed"
Certainly in the last 40+ years.
EU2004/261 is as I said the kernel of the law now. Though supplemented by ealier treaties from Warsaw, Montreal etc.
But EU2004/261 is most definitely the first port of call.
EU2004/261 is as I said the kernel of the law now. Though supplemented by ealier treaties from Warsaw, Montreal etc.
But EU2004/261 is most definitely the first port of call.
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And this Q&A is very easy to read and remarkably explicit regarding the intent:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes...g_2004_261.pdf
BOAC: I'm thinking that you may be refering to the Dan Air contract with the Travel Company. In those days, you paid little, got little and were happy. Today we pay little, expect a lot and get very annoyed if everything is not perfect. And Europe, bless their socks, has ensured that things will cost more as provisions need to be made for delay costs, or, and this is important, the industry understands that if you think you can call yourself an airline with 3 clapped out aircraft flying 24-hours per day, you're dead. And that is probably what the average modern European actually now wants. Even holiday time is precious.
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes...g_2004_261.pdf
BOAC: I'm thinking that you may be refering to the Dan Air contract with the Travel Company. In those days, you paid little, got little and were happy. Today we pay little, expect a lot and get very annoyed if everything is not perfect. And Europe, bless their socks, has ensured that things will cost more as provisions need to be made for delay costs, or, and this is important, the industry understands that if you think you can call yourself an airline with 3 clapped out aircraft flying 24-hours per day, you're dead. And that is probably what the average modern European actually now wants. Even holiday time is precious.
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Indeed, daikilo, as per my post "going back many years and pre-EU, thank heavens" when it was rare if not unkown to have a passenger buying an actual ticket on a charter flight. I don't even think there was any fixed concept of 'compensation' in those days even for scheduled pax.
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Three cheers for the EU
Whilst old-stagers on here may be happy to berate the EU and glory in the days when passengers were streated like sheep (or do I mean sh---), anyone flying today and expecting a minimum of service from the carrier from whom the ticket has been purchased will say FOUR cheers for the EU and law EU2004/261.
