Amazing birdstrike at EDDL/DUS
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Amazing birdstrike at EDDL/DUS
Uneventful landing on one engine after 45 minutes in the air.
Well handled by the crew
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There is something red in front of the engine in picture number three.
Well Sir......very sorry but I think that is really rather obvious.
On a more serious note, seems well handled.
On a more serious note, seems well handled.
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Well done to the crew involved...... but doesn't 45 mins (if true)
seem like a long time to remain airborne on one donk with a
nice long runway underneath you?
Great pictures.
A4
seem like a long time to remain airborne on one donk with a
nice long runway underneath you?
Great pictures.
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I like the annotations '1,2,3' on the 2nd picture. Presumably there is not enough room on the 3rd picture! (... 86, 87,88) 
Obviously well handled but might it not have been better just to land - photo seems to show them at about 50ft. And if they were already going around to avoid birds .... perhaps not a good idea. But what do I know, I wasn't flying the plane.
Any idea on the type of birds? Look like swallows.
Obviously well handled but might it not have been better just to land - photo seems to show them at about 50ft. And if they were already going around to avoid birds .... perhaps not a good idea. But what do I know, I wasn't flying the plane.
Any idea on the type of birds? Look like swallows.
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Look like swallows, swifts or martins to me.
Maybe they were carrying coconuts.
Read an old accident report the other day about a helicopter that suffered a bird strike with a swift which went straight through the windscreen. A second swift right behind made it through the hole alive and began to fly around the cabin. According to the report, the pilot kept control of his steed, calmed his passengers, executed the swift and made a safe, if wind-blown landing.
Maybe they were carrying coconuts.
Read an old accident report the other day about a helicopter that suffered a bird strike with a swift which went straight through the windscreen. A second swift right behind made it through the hole alive and began to fly around the cabin. According to the report, the pilot kept control of his steed, calmed his passengers, executed the swift and made a safe, if wind-blown landing.
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It was during takeoff
A Germania Boeing 737-300, registration D-ADII performing flight ST-8656 from Dusseldorf (Germany) to Pristina (Kosovo/Serbia) with 80 passengers, had just become airborne on takeoff from Dusseldorf's runway 05R, when a flock of starlings impacted the right hand side of the aircraft with a number of bird ingested into the right hand engine (CFM56) approximately overhead the touch down zone/aiming markers of the opposite runway 23L. The crew decided to return to Dusseldorf, where the airplane landed safely about 45 minutes after takeoff.
The runway was closed for about 30 minutes to remove the dead birds from the runway.
The runway was closed for about 30 minutes to remove the dead birds from the runway.
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Amazed there is any wildlife left really
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The question that needs to be asked is: "What kind of airfield wildlife management program is in place at DUS"? A well structured program should have prevented this type of event.
As pilots we need to remember that strikes with flocking birds represent the greates hazard. Yes, large waterfowl represent the highest risk, but small birds can be just as hazardous. The worst aviation accident from a bird strike was caused by a flock of starlings.
Sadly many segments of our industry feel that bird strikes are "natural" events that cannot be prevented, which is not true. Additionally, there is a desire for "silver bullet" solutions to managing wildlife and there aren't any. Managing wildlife to reduce strike risks is like guerilla warfare - you need to know your enemy and be aware that his tactics will evolve constantly. A good wildlife control program requires an integrated approach to manage habitat and use active control.
Recent events are confirming that bird strikes are a significant risk to flight safety, that is occurring with increasing regularity, that needs better management. We have had two hull losses, fortunately with no loss of life. The next major bird strike hull loss event, which will occur in the near future, may not result in such successful outcomes. As an industry we cannot afford to have this type of preventable event. When one of these events does occur the resulting investigations will show that prevention is possible and there will be significant liability costs assessed against the parties who should have acted to prevent the event.
There are lots of great resources out there to help all parts of our industry manage bird strike risks. Take the time to learn more!
As pilots we need to remember that strikes with flocking birds represent the greates hazard. Yes, large waterfowl represent the highest risk, but small birds can be just as hazardous. The worst aviation accident from a bird strike was caused by a flock of starlings.
Sadly many segments of our industry feel that bird strikes are "natural" events that cannot be prevented, which is not true. Additionally, there is a desire for "silver bullet" solutions to managing wildlife and there aren't any. Managing wildlife to reduce strike risks is like guerilla warfare - you need to know your enemy and be aware that his tactics will evolve constantly. A good wildlife control program requires an integrated approach to manage habitat and use active control.
Recent events are confirming that bird strikes are a significant risk to flight safety, that is occurring with increasing regularity, that needs better management. We have had two hull losses, fortunately with no loss of life. The next major bird strike hull loss event, which will occur in the near future, may not result in such successful outcomes. As an industry we cannot afford to have this type of preventable event. When one of these events does occur the resulting investigations will show that prevention is possible and there will be significant liability costs assessed against the parties who should have acted to prevent the event.
There are lots of great resources out there to help all parts of our industry manage bird strike risks. Take the time to learn more!
egsshell, stop pretending to be a pilot you idiot. Not being able to tell the difference between an aeroplane landing or taking off, plus your drivel about landing instead of going around, gives you away.
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Obviously well handled but might it not have been better just to land - photo seems to show them at about 50ft. And if they were already going around to avoid birds .... perhaps not a good idea. But what do I know, I wasn't flying the plane.
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Bird warnings are a regular feature on the DUS ATIS - including yesterday, funnily enough . . .
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I reported a similar sized flock lurking around taxiway M last week, and they held departures until the birds were moved on. From my limited experience, I'd say that Dusseldorf is just as bird-aware as any other airport. At least there's a few less to worry about now.
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I reported a similar sized flock lurking around taxiway M last week, and they held departures until the birds were moved on. From my limited experience, I'd say that Dusseldorf is just as bird-aware as any other airport. At least there's a few less to worry about now.
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G SXTY, thanks for the informative post on your observations at EDDL. Actions like yours to report birds and have them dispersed is an essential risk managment tool that in many cases is not well understood by pilots.
The issue is to understand that "dispersal" is a tactical short term solution to a bird problem. The crtical element is understanding what birds are in the area, what are the high risk species and was is attracting them to the airport - and remove it!. Habitat management is the key to effective bird control and many airports have difficulty grasping this and how to make it work. Habitat modification can look expensive in the short term, but pays off in the longer term through reduced tactical costs and improved effectiveness.
As pilots we tend to focus on scaring on dispersal techniques to address our instant needs. The real solution required is a long term one.
For further information on the bird strike issue may I suggest visiting the Transport Canada website and viewing the on-line version of "Sharing the Skies". this is a great compendium of information on this safety problem with information for all the aviation community.
The issue is to understand that "dispersal" is a tactical short term solution to a bird problem. The crtical element is understanding what birds are in the area, what are the high risk species and was is attracting them to the airport - and remove it!. Habitat management is the key to effective bird control and many airports have difficulty grasping this and how to make it work. Habitat modification can look expensive in the short term, but pays off in the longer term through reduced tactical costs and improved effectiveness.
As pilots we tend to focus on scaring on dispersal techniques to address our instant needs. The real solution required is a long term one.
For further information on the bird strike issue may I suggest visiting the Transport Canada website and viewing the on-line version of "Sharing the Skies". this is a great compendium of information on this safety problem with information for all the aviation community.