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Old 25th Apr 2014, 08:58   #1 (permalink)
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VIETJET AIR /ATRANS AVIATION

Dear fellows Aviators,

I just wanted to know if any of you has ever heard about "ATRANS AVIATION" working with Vietjet Air??? To check if this "brooker" can be trusted or it is a scam.

Any advise will be much appreciate.

Happy landings!!!
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Old 3rd Aug 2014, 13:12   #2 (permalink)
 
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Hello

I dont think they do cuz im just about to join vietjet through another agency and they are exclusive!!!!
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 02:29   #3 (permalink)
 
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So far quite a number of agents promise pay to fly line training with vietjet but none turn out to be legit since Vietnam DCA insist they take only local pilots unless experience foreign pilots with hours on type.
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Can you name those agencies?
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 16:07   #5 (permalink)
 
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Romeo, if you do get into vietjet, pls let us know that way we will know that southern aviation is legit.
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Old 4th Aug 2014, 16:11   #6 (permalink)
 
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Wilco pfvspnf... I hope so at least for my sake
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Old 7th Aug 2014, 13:13   #7 (permalink)
 
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P2F price at Vietjet is 59,000 Euro! More if you don't have the rating or base training.

OMG what is happening to this job. Sadly they will be lining up for it.
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Old 8th Aug 2014, 11:42   #8 (permalink)
 
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anyone with any further news and updates about the Atrans A320 program, please share.
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Old 9th Aug 2014, 16:23   #9 (permalink)


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Atrans Aviation

I met the people behind Atrans Aviation in person last month. Also went to the company to check everything. The contract has been reviewed by my laywer. All seems to be very professional and clear. There are no payments in front. During the programme you will work with the Airline and them together. Once again; every payment is done when you completed the check in Bangkok and are released by the Airline to strart the Line Training. I will start within two months. At the end: Is Ryanair not a P2F?.
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Old 10th Aug 2014, 15:57   #10 (permalink)
 
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Marco,

As much as Ryan air charge you over the odds for a type rating they don't fit in to the pay to fly model. Paying 60k euros after you have a type is. Are you serious? Your going to pay someone 60k euro to sit and operate the gear handle?

You must have more money than brains
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I think a blacklist should be developed. Any pilot who pays to fly in any of these programs should be placed on that list. All other airline pilots should work very hard to ensure such pilots never get an opportunity to work in the industry again. They are destroying the pay and benefit packages worldwide by their short sighted actions and should suffer the consequences of those actions.


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Old 11th Aug 2014, 14:17   #12 (permalink)
 
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There is nothing wrong with the aviation market right now. It is booming all over the world. Unfortunately there are a bunch of bottom feeders that still can't get jobs and are willing to P2F instead of working their way up from the bottom like the rest of the "real" pilots.
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 20:09   #13 (permalink)
 
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So is SAS exclusive for vietjet as Romeo claims ?
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Old 11th Aug 2014, 23:19   #14 (permalink)
 
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Thyphoonpilot has a very good point. Something has to happen to make it stop.

As far as Zed7's comment,
"Let people do as they please, most of of these threads end up with messages against P2F and how its fuking the industry, ok , understood ! now lets move ahead and talk about stuff that matters rather than a general negative attitude towards P2F."

P2F really matters to must PROFESSIONAL pilots, it matters more than you could probably comprehend.

Such a statement shows the lack of professionalism.

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To the best of my knowledge the CAAV still requires minimum 500 on type to issue a conversion from a foreign licence. And they are very specific about it, i.e. they require actual A321 time for Vietnam Airlines foreign pilot conversions, they don't count A320 or A319.

Vietjet isn't short of pilot applications, a very large number of hugely experienced local Vietnamese pilots from Vietnam Airlines have applied for the job.

I would be very very very very cautious about paying money up front to anybody for a job with Vietjet. Especially an agency that nobody's ever heard of.
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 03:54   #16 (permalink)
 
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Is it me or is pay to fly on the way out ? More and more people find it very very difficult to get the line training completed ! They usually get scammed into doing the TR with the agent.
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 04:50   #17 (permalink)
 
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That,s correct Luke . Few of my mates flew to hanoi and that is what they were told in order for a foreign pilot be employed there.

CPL 200 hour fresh pilots are only for locals.

They lost a lot of expats fo to vietnam air recently.
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 10:57   #18 (permalink)
 
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a very large number of hugely experienced local Vietnamese pilots from Vietnam Airlines have applied for the job.
I would say the contrary...
going from VNA to VJ, glup ! or something wrong with their mind !
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Old 12th Aug 2014, 12:22   #19 (permalink)
 
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Not really

VJ offers a better pay and time off package for locals.
As Luke inferred many local VN pilots are making noises about going over to VJ, however they still need to be released from the 15yrs- lifetime (retirement age) training bonds. Last TRE who left had to bring a lawyer and pay off his not inconsiderable bond. Also..
The CAAV will accept either A320 or a321 time, they issue a license to pilots to fly 320's but VN only have 321s. 319 however does seem to be a sticking point.
Disagree with Luke that VJ is not short of pilots, talk to the guys there. Their short and with an aircraft a month (to fulfill 92 a/C order) going to get shorter, unless they do a Skymark (380).
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Does the CAAV know about the pay to fly program? Is this an approved training program ?
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