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Does the CAAV know about the pay to fly program? Is this an approved training program ?
if it was the case, why the CAAV should say something ? as long as it brings money, they won't say anything. Especially in VN.
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Guess more people are in the process of getting scammed. If you want to pay to fly, why don't you check with the airline directly ? The shady agent diesnt want you talking to anybody from the airline and usually threatens to cancel the deal if you do so.
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Some guys I know in Vietjet heard some rumours abt the pay2fly programs but nobody is sure. We'll I suppose it's a good sign if they let you do a sim check with someone of the airline without paying the full amount of the program up front.. But then for the ppl who are willing to go for this they still have to be cautious..
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Typhoon,
There is no practical way for non union pilots to enforce a blacklist. If there was, our distinguished poster Tanua would be unemployable, having left his mates on a picket line and transferred to another division of the same corporation, where he promptly performed struck work. There is a word for this but I can't say it, because the sensitive lad runs to the mods to have posts deleted when his feathers are ruffled.
The safety records at some of the pay2fly operations show that they are playing with fire. Airlines that cut corners in one area tend to do it in others as well. If there is an economic price to pay, it might finally force them to reevaluate pay2fly.
There is no practical way for non union pilots to enforce a blacklist. If there was, our distinguished poster Tanua would be unemployable, having left his mates on a picket line and transferred to another division of the same corporation, where he promptly performed struck work. There is a word for this but I can't say it, because the sensitive lad runs to the mods to have posts deleted when his feathers are ruffled.
The safety records at some of the pay2fly operations show that they are playing with fire. Airlines that cut corners in one area tend to do it in others as well. If there is an economic price to pay, it might finally force them to reevaluate pay2fly.
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This is a another place run by a big talker in Sri Lanka. Dont get trapped he has political connections where he can get away ,, goons are on his side your money will dissapear,,,,
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whats up pfvspnf? you miss me? I'm here reading all the posts, never gone away.
folks, i have a confirmation from the OP manager at vietjet that SAS is the only agency, what now? convinced
folks, i have a confirmation from the OP manager at vietjet that SAS is the only agency, what now? convinced
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well, I'm not ruling anything out but, i know what i know and that it. maybe atrans is also providing, dunno. but based on OP managers email, sas IS the only one.
do you fly anywhere pfvspnf? or just like us looking for a contract some where.
do you fly anywhere pfvspnf? or just like us looking for a contract some where.
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who is OP manager Romeo ?, can you provide me.
I have checked with Vj as well and confirmed that Atrans is a agent providing exp pilots and cadets for line training program.
Also i got the contract as well as details of line training program from Atrans, everything is very clear and reliable.
I don't have to pay anything before the the Skype interview with VJ even after by Atrans. i just pay very small amount (1,500e) when i enroll the program in VN and do the Sim check. the 2nd payment is after passing the sim check and after signing the agreement with both VJ and Atrans. 3rd payment is after passing the line check.
So i don't know what i have to worry abt ? please advise me when anyone have any info, thanks
I have checked with Vj as well and confirmed that Atrans is a agent providing exp pilots and cadets for line training program.
Also i got the contract as well as details of line training program from Atrans, everything is very clear and reliable.
I don't have to pay anything before the the Skype interview with VJ even after by Atrans. i just pay very small amount (1,500e) when i enroll the program in VN and do the Sim check. the 2nd payment is after passing the sim check and after signing the agreement with both VJ and Atrans. 3rd payment is after passing the line check.
So i don't know what i have to worry abt ? please advise me when anyone have any info, thanks
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FFS I cannot advise you strongly enough do NOT take the word of ANY agencies or anyone on pprune claiming that such-and-such agency has a deal with the airline.
The national sport here is taking money off gullible westerners, and the sums you guys are talking about spending is like a lottery win to the Vietnamese. (Literally - I think the biggest prize in the national lottery is 3 trillion VND which equates to about 100,000 euro).
I don't approve of P2F but I approve even less of people throwing their money away for nothing - therefore I say again PLEASE contact the airline directly for the correct info regarding the recruitment process. People are getting scammed here without a doubt.
Also, for what it's worth, there are rumours every day about the number of local Vietnamese pilots who have resigned from VNA in order to move to Vietjet (yes really, because it's a massive pay rise for them). Most of them are very experienced and well connected - and it's all about politics here. Whether or not they get the Vietjet job is another matter, but rest assured if the locals think their interests are being compromised by 200 hour foreigners, they will be phoning the CAAV and doing everything in their power to get them removed.
And if that was to happen, I would say anyone who had paid for P2F would have less than a snowball's chance in hell of getting their money back
The national sport here is taking money off gullible westerners, and the sums you guys are talking about spending is like a lottery win to the Vietnamese. (Literally - I think the biggest prize in the national lottery is 3 trillion VND which equates to about 100,000 euro).
I don't approve of P2F but I approve even less of people throwing their money away for nothing - therefore I say again PLEASE contact the airline directly for the correct info regarding the recruitment process. People are getting scammed here without a doubt.
Also, for what it's worth, there are rumours every day about the number of local Vietnamese pilots who have resigned from VNA in order to move to Vietjet (yes really, because it's a massive pay rise for them). Most of them are very experienced and well connected - and it's all about politics here. Whether or not they get the Vietjet job is another matter, but rest assured if the locals think their interests are being compromised by 200 hour foreigners, they will be phoning the CAAV and doing everything in their power to get them removed.
And if that was to happen, I would say anyone who had paid for P2F would have less than a snowball's chance in hell of getting their money back
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Also, for what it's worth, there are rumours every day about the number of local Vietnamese pilots who have resigned from VNA in order to move to Vietjet (yes really, because it's a massive pay rise for them)
VJ has : some routes, 320 (only), it's LCC (so...it says all) and not IATA member.
They should really do the maths before (and think in long term career too).
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Vietjet good for desperate pilots, and or inexperienced capts f/os with no place to go. Corrupted place. No medical no loss of license no benefits. Basic salary is a joke. And now they tying to play dirty game with salary payment , you never get what you suppose to be paid at the end of the month they keep some of your money just in case you leave !! Be careful guys.
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Crazy, depends
We'll that all depends. VN is a State Owned Enterprise
Vietnam to guarantee $626 mln bonds to help tackle Vinashin foreign debt | Reuters
Vietnam to guarantee $626 mln bonds to help tackle Vinashin foreign debt | Reuters
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someone raised the P2F point, and it's right actually..mea culpa.
Apparently it's an agency based in Rome (i don't have the name), who rents the sims from Alitalia, they work with
atlas jet, vietjet, vietnam airline, tunisair...
that's really bad but not surprising from them.
Apparently it's an agency based in Rome (i don't have the name), who rents the sims from Alitalia, they work with
atlas jet, vietjet, vietnam airline, tunisair...
that's really bad but not surprising from them.
short flights long nights
I'm glad I am about to retire. This industry is going to hell very soon pilots won't get paid at all, they will just pay to "work" . How the hell these kids think they are going to bring up a family is beyond me. They just don't get it. They think they will pay to fly, get hours and go somewhere else. But when they try to get another job, all the positions will be taken by other pay to flyers.
It's a fcing mess, but they have made it themselves, enjoy.
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It's a fcing mess, but they have made it themselves, enjoy.
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I'm glad I am about to retire. This industry is going to hell very soon pilots won't get paid at all, they will just pay to "work" . How the hell these kids think they are going to bring up a family is beyond me. They just don't get it. They think they will pay to fly, get hours and go somewhere else. But when they try to get another job, all the positions will be taken by other pay to flyers.
It's a fcing mess, but they have made it themselves, enjoy.:
It's a fcing mess, but they have made it themselves, enjoy.:
But in the case of Vietjetair, at first, this airline had offered Type rating (Toulouse) to some cadets under a local contract for 5 years. So it was not that bad.
It seems that now the airline turned badly... I think, they got inspired by some european or others asian airlines mainly and not by the kids.
It's like a cancer
first the airline is in a good shape and then it becomes bad... sad.
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Alwayswannafly, sorry for you man. But as you say, you deserve surely a better opportunity.
The bad thing, is you may wait for a long time...unfortunately, as I said, It is something that spreads like cancer cells.
Indeed VJC, before this sh**;paid for TR (against a 5 years contract, actually one year but renewalbe) , and pilots were paid during LT. Except the OBS flights...
Do they still offer some food on board to the crew or make they it pay like other LCC ? I would not be suprised that one day, 100% of food will be paying.
Now, some pilots are ready to pay just to go beyond others. But that will not last, they will see that when VJ will not need of them, they will kick their ass, and their career will be quite unstable.
Glad I have a business beside, so I only use this inudstry to fly where I want and when I want, but not for a real career. Oh no...no no.
VJ may be a cool environnement, especially with cabin crew (well apparently with the technicians it's not so fun sometimes), but the way they treat pilots and passengers (they are often late according to articles) it says it all.
The bad thing, is you may wait for a long time...unfortunately, as I said, It is something that spreads like cancer cells.
Indeed VJC, before this sh**;paid for TR (against a 5 years contract, actually one year but renewalbe) , and pilots were paid during LT. Except the OBS flights...
Do they still offer some food on board to the crew or make they it pay like other LCC ? I would not be suprised that one day, 100% of food will be paying.
Now, some pilots are ready to pay just to go beyond others. But that will not last, they will see that when VJ will not need of them, they will kick their ass, and their career will be quite unstable.
Glad I have a business beside, so I only use this inudstry to fly where I want and when I want, but not for a real career. Oh no...no no.
VJ may be a cool environnement, especially with cabin crew (well apparently with the technicians it's not so fun sometimes), but the way they treat pilots and passengers (they are often late according to articles) it says it all.