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Old 2nd Aug 2010, 06:57
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@avalanche

Thanks for the KVA and KW information.

anyways the answer is 661.7 kts
(39 x root of (273+15)
1. 273.15K = 0 deg c
2. 39 is not exactly 39, nature doesn't have a preference for whole numbers..
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1. 273.15K = 0 deg c
2. 39 is not exactly 39, nature doesn't have a preference for whole numbers..
well its 273+15 and not 273.15

+15*C is temp at mean sea level

and this is how we calculate and get the answer 661.8

anyways we even need no calculation for it as its a fixed value
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What I meant was
0 deg C = 273.15 Kelvin
hence 15 deg c = 288.15 K


We didn't inherit the speed of sound from tablets buried in the pyramids of Egypt. People like me and you measured and calculated them.
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We didn't inherit the speed of sound from tablets buried in the pyramids of Egypt. People like me and you measured and calculated them.
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You cant expect a paper more easier than the one we had.

Seriously if you can remove nooks in this paper than you can in any paper because I suppose your motive is to do the thing and just blindly post it on PPRuNe.

That was one of the easiest paper every1 could get. And you say that the way of asking question was not proper. Now should we give options like the game show, DO 50-50, take audience vote, or fone a friend..
My friend easiness of an exam has nothing to do with its quality. I didn't contend if the paper was easy or not, I only pointed out questions which had bad language or wrong concept.

Yes most testing organisations before standardizing language do take an audience poll.


If you ask a question, where do humans live
1. Earth
2. Third planet from the sun
3. Africa
4. None of the above

Thats a bad question. I don't care how easy one may find it.
If teaching is difficult creating an exam is even more difficult.
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The formula for local speed of sound is

LSS = 38.94 √(273 + 15)

which is 660.83
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Ok .. some questions Im sure everyone would like an answer to ...


1. Why on earth did they not do an identity check !!???
How do they know if roll no. XXXX is indeed me and not someone else ?

2. What were those 2 passport sized photographs for anyway ?

3. Quick calculations. Roughly 2000 candidates totally. 5 papers.
Which means totally 10,000 answer sheets to be evaluated and totalled.
OMR sheets have not been used which means the counting and totalling would be done manually.
How many of you here are thinking that they are going to do the totalling of marks accurately ? or for that matter are they going to even bother going through 10,000+ answer sheets one by one and prepare an honest merit list ? (lets not kid ourselves into thinking that)

4. In all the exam centers, a few guys left the exam hall AFTER the lunch break. No points for guessing why.
(Hint : We had to sign an attendance sheet ONLY in the first session ie before the lunch break .. not after ! )
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The formula for local speed of sound is

LSS = 38.94 √(273 + 15)

which is 660.83
buddy are u sure
wells o the answer is 660.7

wow thats cool

because i wrote that answer but when i calculated i found out to be 661.8



@jimmygill
sorry buddy, my bad (but good for me)
the answer is 660.7
however the formula remains the same
but yes u were correct in those exact values which i did not knew
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hey guys...
here's my view on the jet written.

1. Mostly very basic questions with a few exception. I was trying to study much deeper instead of paying attention to basic details and MESSED up.
2. Mental aptitude is a norm is most of the selection processes world wide.
@pilot2612

hey buddy.....oh god this was easiest paper i have seen in a long long time......like in cricket we were expecting a fast bouncer and it turned out to be a slower ball which caught us.......i also studied deeper and irrelevant things instead of taking note of some basic things.....its all coz of our mindset before the exam....we were thinking too much n in panic messed up.....
n yess mental aptitude is fast catching on in india....have a few other friends from different fields n they also undergo mental apti test....anyways hopefull of a call buddy...??

2ndly those issues r rightly brought up by u but seriously speaking no knows y.....i m still hoping for a fair selection procedure.....reading the other posts is not giving me any confidence....

3rdly i have heard all sorts of things of the number of people getting shortlisted....ranging from 300-500 but not sure about....... any one having any CONFIRMED news???


N guys when do we expect the calls for the next round.....in other words when do we start checking our mailbox after every hour?????
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1. Why on earth did they not do an identity check !!???
How do they know if roll no. XXXX is indeed me and not someone else ?

2. What were those 2 passport sized photographs for anyway ?

3. Quick calculations. Roughly 2000 candidates totally. 5 papers.
Which means totally 10,000 answer sheets to be evaluated and totalled.
OMR sheets have not been used which means the counting and totalling would be done manually.
How many of you here are thinking that they are going to do the totalling of marks accurately ? or for that matter are they going to even bother going through 10,000+ answer sheets one by one and prepare an honest merit list ? (lets not kid ourselves into thinking that)

4. In all the exam centers, a few guys left the exam hall AFTER the lunch break. No points for guessing why.
(Hint : We had to sign an attendance sheet ONLY in the first session ie before the lunch break .. not after ! )

Rightly pointed out Shanx.....!!!!! Inspite of all this and hearing all sorts of things n reading the posts here I STILL AM HOPING for a FAIR & GENUINE selection process......maybe the desperation to get a job is making me build that if u may say FALSE hope.......Plzz God Plzz let there be Sanity in the proceedings....!!!!
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1. Why on earth did they not do an identity check !!???
How do they know if roll no. XXXX is indeed me and not someone else ?
at mumbai centre in my classroom atleast the invigilator matched the faces of our cpl with us in real

i really dont understand why different standards everywhere

by the way there were 907 students in mumbai (as per the roll nos)

in delhi my friend said that they had last roll no somewhere around 925

what was the scene in chennai??

and were there only 3 centres in all
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and were there only 3 centres in all
@avalanche

i guess there was kolkata also.....they conducted in 4 metropolitans.....!!!
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Chennai : 225 candidates
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I have not yet come across anyone who had given the exam in Kolkata or heard of any roll no. of 4XXX series.
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The formula for local speed of sound is

LSS = 38.94 √(273 + 15)

which is 660.83
Formula is better

LSS at ISA SL = 38.94 √(273.15 + 15) = 661.06 Knots
ICAO atmospheric tables have the value 661 Knots.
NASA in one of thier websites has 661.7 Knots


My question remains what were they trying to evaluate? And why were they adamant that the value will end in .7
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I have not yet come across anyone who had given the exam in Kolkata or heard of any roll no. of 4XXX series
shanx i also haven't heard...but yesterday at the centre there was a speculation that kolkata mite also have been a centre for the east region....otherwise people in the east would have to go all the way to delhi for the exam which is quite Inconvenient....!!!!
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RTR (P)

Guys, i am sry i dnt think wht i am saying is relevant in this thread. but i have got serious doubts and i hope u people would help me out. I have RTR (P) and is nearing its expiration date. I have to renew it. but i am still not sure if i need to appear for the sick WPC exams Part I or both Part I and Part II.

also i have heard that if one has 30 hours before 3years of applying for the RTR renewal then one can renew it directly by just paying up the fees listed. but still there is no assurance and as usual the WPC website doesnt open up half of the times.

I am really confused. Please help me out with the procedure.


Thanks a ton in advance.
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Old 2nd Aug 2010, 15:06
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If you really need help at least tell whats your predicament, and it is necessary to know where you got your CPL from, I guess Phillippines.
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Guys, i am sry i dnt think wht i am saying is relevant in this thread. but i have got serious doubts and i hope u people would help me out. I have RTR (P) and is nearing its expiration date. I have to renew it. but i am still not sure if i need to appear for the sick WPC exams Part I or both Part I and Part II.
@ prayingdamsel

no idea on this 1 but u cud get more positive responses if u post here-

RTR Validity Now 20yrs & Lifetime

this thread is abt RT...or else start a new thread for the same....tc....!!!!
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Old 2nd Aug 2010, 16:00
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@On The ILS there was no center in kolkata ..my friend came all the way from kolkata for the exam.....
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