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14th Jan 2016, 09:00
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Posted By PENKO

Thank you BBK for your insightful post....

Thank you BBK for your insightful post. Especially re the arrangement with BALPA.


hunterboy, commuters will be well aware of all the rules regarding commuting in uniform as laid down in their...
14th Jan 2016, 07:49
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

That goes without saying wiggy. But that does not...

That goes without saying wiggy. But that does not mean that arrangements cannot be made. :ok:
14th Jan 2016, 06:51
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Or there is sensible arrangement with the...

Or there is sensible arrangement with the authorities that cater for the special circumstances involving airlines, airplanes, pilots, ships, crew, 1000 km commutes, etc. Like there are many many many...
14th Jan 2016, 06:42
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

We have shown time and time again in this thread...

We have shown time and time again in this thread that commuting in uniform is an approved way of travel. Sure, you might think that there are some grey areas and issues but it is obvious that these...
12th Jan 2016, 20:21
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

T250, commuting as off duty crew is legitimate.

T250, commuting as off duty crew is legitimate.
12th Jan 2016, 19:30
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Yes? So they identify themselves as a commuter...

Yes? So they identify themselves as a commuter and security grants them access as per existing regulations at all airports.
12th Jan 2016, 18:56
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

T250, it would not hurt to do a bit more research...

T250, it would not hurt to do a bit more research before posting blatant inaccurate accusations and threats. This thread is now really descending into needless and careless mud slinging. There is...
12th Jan 2016, 15:58
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

The clue is in the status of a commuter. All...

The clue is in the status of a commuter. All authorities agree on this status except you, 4468.
Let's look at it from a different perspective, why should an airline NOT facilitate its off duty crew...
11th Jan 2016, 16:38
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

4468, again, these procedures are written, signed...

4468, again, these procedures are written, signed and countersigned by the authorities. They are not specific to any one airline. Airports around Europe fully co-operate with these commuting...
11th Jan 2016, 12:01
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Some of you here would even argue that a captain...

Some of you here would even argue that a captain on a cruise ship should be punished, or at least heavily taxed for
a. being provided accommodation
b. allowed to travel for free when not on duty...
11th Jan 2016, 11:35
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Hold on guys. There are tens if not hundreds of...

Hold on guys. There are tens if not hundreds of commuters who pass through security, identify themselves as commuters and follow all the rules as laid down BLACK AND WHITE in their operations...
10th Jan 2016, 22:22
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

What captplaystation said.

What captplaystation said.
10th Jan 2016, 17:11
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

I don't pretend to know all the rules and...

I don't pretend to know all the rules and regulations. Duscussion is fine but if you are going to accuse others of illegal commuting then please back up your claim.

If your friend saw pilots in...
10th Jan 2016, 11:27
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

RAT5, That is a completely different scenario....

RAT5,
That is a completely different scenario. That's not commuting at all.
Having said that, is this common practice in Ryanair? A friend of mine was moved to a different base only once in five...
10th Jan 2016, 11:14
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Wageslave Some categories of people are...

Wageslave


Some categories of people are not regarded as passengers for APD purposes when they are engaged in duties on a flight. As such, APD is not charged on their carriage. These are:
...
10th Jan 2016, 06:38
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Checklist Charlie, if an employee chooses out of...

Checklist Charlie, if an employee chooses out of his own free will to commute, then why would the employer be liable for his insurance? I never felt that I donated my free time to the company. It was...
9th Jan 2016, 21:44
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

This is exactly what commuters do.

This is exactly what commuters do.
9th Jan 2016, 19:05
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Juan, Dressing and driving children to school...

Juan,
Dressing and driving children to school causes fatigue.
Doing groceries causes fatigue.
Mowing the lawn causes fatigue.
Driving every day for an hour just to reach your airport causes...
9th Jan 2016, 17:17
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Juan, I have an airport standby duty...

Juan,

I have an airport standby duty tomorrow. It consists of sitting in a lounge on a couch watching TV, moaning about work and politics, telling silly stories whilst waiting to go back home......
9th Jan 2016, 17:03
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Meiklour. I do concede that commuting has its...

Meiklour.
I do concede that commuting has its own risks regarding fatigue and cancelled flights. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with fair and honest rules set by the company regarding pilots...
9th Jan 2016, 14:23
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Meiklour, if you associate commuting with fatigue...

Meiklour, if you associate commuting with fatigue then you must look at the whole working block. That's not muddying the waters as you say. You cannot single out commuting as 'fatiguing' by just...
9th Jan 2016, 13:15
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Meiklour, even dining on behest of the company is...

Meiklour, even dining on behest of the company is counted as duty time. Now I am sure you don't advocate skipping diner before an early flight!
The reason positioning flights count as duty is not...
9th Jan 2016, 11:24
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

Many many things contribute to personal fatigue....

Many many things contribute to personal fatigue. It's called having a life. You may choose to drive around the M25 every working day, I may choose to commute to base at my leisure and live in a hotel...
9th Jan 2016, 11:12
Replies: 222
Views: 73,852
Posted By PENKO

At least a commuter can sleep uninterrupted each...

At least a commuter can sleep uninterrupted each night while he is away from home. How many non-commuting fathers and mothers can say that?


If commuting is done in your own time and out of your...
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