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14th Mar 2015, 17:20
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Posted By fireflybob

Jan Olieslagers, if you read the whole of this...

Jan Olieslagers, if you read the whole of this thread I think you will find this has been indirectly covered in the sense that the Rules of the Air state that a) all turns in the ATZ must be to the...
24th Feb 2015, 13:59
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

I never meant to imply that the turn (in terms of...

I never meant to imply that the turn (in terms of angle of bank) was constant - in fact with wind it cannot be to achieve that track over the ground.

Lookout is a given and if you need to clear...
24th Feb 2015, 08:54
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

Agree 100% on that one - nothing wrong with...

Agree 100% on that one - nothing wrong with broadcasting to the world where you are if you think it may be appropriate.
24th Feb 2015, 08:01
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

Me tetchy? Never! (I just don't believe it). ...

Me tetchy? Never! (I just don't believe it).

MJ, Nice summary and I agree.
23rd Feb 2015, 20:12
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

By "best way" do you mean the "safest way"? ...

By "best way" do you mean the "safest way"?

If so please show me the statistical evidence that this is a better way to "join the PATTERN"?

If I fly in another country I would expect to comply...
23rd Feb 2015, 15:48
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

Well it's not a competition but seeing as you...

Well it's not a competition but seeing as you brought the subject up I was first taught the OHP in 1967. I have also taught same on numerous occasions to a diversity of students both in the civil and...
23rd Feb 2015, 15:14
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

I agree and that's not what I have said! ...

I agree and that's not what I have said!



All very good but this thread is titled "Circuit Joining".
23rd Feb 2015, 14:40
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

Well yes it's a question of semantics but at a...

Well yes it's a question of semantics but at a large aerodrome "overhead" could mean a mile or two west of the aerodrome reference point to the same on the east side.

On a correctly flown standard...
23rd Feb 2015, 14:17
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

If you are doing a proper standard join you don't...

If you are doing a proper standard join you don't actually fly precisely "overhead".

This is the way I teach it:-

Imagine a bicycle wheel with the axle centred on the middle of the...
20th Feb 2015, 20:04
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

MJ, thanks - that is what I did mean - been...

MJ, thanks - that is what I did mean - been another long day!
20th Feb 2015, 19:34
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

skyhighfallguy, I can assure you it isn't! ...

skyhighfallguy, I can assure you it isn't!



ChickenHouse, that is another issue about which I would agree. Your post implied that there was only one way of conducting an "orbit" which is not...
20th Feb 2015, 18:37
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

skyhighfallguy, all good stuff I am sure but...

skyhighfallguy, all good stuff I am sure but those items are not in the syllabus for the licences in the UK. Operation at "minimum level" is in the syllabus which would include turns/orbits at that...
20th Feb 2015, 17:49
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

Scoobster, you were told wrong! The basic...

Scoobster, you were told wrong!

The basic rule of thumb for angle of bank for a Rate 1 turn is to take the airspeed, knock of the last digit, and add 7.

Eg IAS 100 kts, delete the right hand...
20th Feb 2015, 17:45
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

As a footnote orbiting should not be conducted in...

As a footnote orbiting should not be conducted in the circuit at an aerodrome without an ATSU as, apart from being potentially hazardous with respect to traffic following in the circuit, to do so is...
19th Feb 2015, 18:42
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

Scoobster, Go Around from Base Leg - usually...

Scoobster, Go Around from Base Leg - usually means you can fly the "normal" circuit next time round.
19th Feb 2015, 13:23
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

LevelAttitude, poor choice of words on my part -...

LevelAttitude, poor choice of words on my part - I didn't mean to imply that said a/c would need to rejoin the circuit. That's how I teach it also.
19th Feb 2015, 06:24
Replies: 211
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Posted By fireflybob

So please tell me how you Go Around from Base Leg...

So please tell me how you Go Around from Base Leg then?
18th Feb 2015, 21:54
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

A better option though would be to Go Around from...

A better option though would be to Go Around from Base Leg onto the Dead Side and join again. This also enables traffic behind to fly a "normal" pattern. Notwithstanding local noise rules any...
18th Feb 2015, 21:30
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

As an aside once you are in the overhead you are...

As an aside once you are in the overhead you are in a more favourable position should the engine fail.

The early aviators were well aware of this given less reliable engines and would prefer to...
18th Feb 2015, 21:26
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

MJ, yes good point - pilots need to do their...

MJ, yes good point - pilots need to do their homework on any local procedures published in AIP etc.

Today we had a case of two visiting aircraft who were clueless as to how to taxi to the holding...
18th Feb 2015, 21:00
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

Whilst the semantics about "Long final" etc is an...

Whilst the semantics about "Long final" etc is an interesting one I think we are straying away from the basic issue.

If you are satisfied there is no other traffic it is perfectly reasonable,...
18th Feb 2015, 20:10
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

Of course not but being aware of the Rules (which...

Of course not but being aware of the Rules (which like many are based on hard experience) you can educate the culprit should you feel inclined to do so.



Talkdownman, an excellent summary...
18th Feb 2015, 19:22
Replies: 211
Views: 24,841
Posted By fireflybob

In my opinion the a/c conducting the straight in...

In my opinion the a/c conducting the straight in was not "conforming to the pattern of traffic formed by other a/c" and therefore technically in breach of the Rule.

Talking purely UK here - when...
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