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As an "IT Professional" you should know better ! Exactly how long do you think its going to take someone (or rather, as you well know, a number of someones... known as developers !) to (a) come up with a viable algorithm (b) code it (c) test and debug it ........ seriously man ! Its a non-starter of a hairbrained idea to think someone would expend so much resource ! The best you can hope for in that area is that, seeing as they are in the business of analysing satellite images for people trying to hide stuff, the intelligence agencies already have such an algorithm already in-use and that their masters may permit them to use it for this purpose to see what they can come up with (obviously findings would never be publicly released for obvious reasons, but would be passed in some obfuscated form to the nations taking part in the SAR). But I suspect satellite resources in that part of the world may be busy elsewhere. As for "crowdsourcing" don't make me laugh. Tomnod is no more than marketing PR excercise for its owners. Have you seen the sort of nonsense the "crowdsourcing" community have been highlighting on the images ? People with no SAR and no satellite imagery analysis are not going to come up with anything of remote use. Maybe tomnod is indeed a PR stunt, that's why I said it could be checked by specialists. |
SgtBundy,
A week is a long time in technology. If something remotely viable and simple to implement could have been done, it would have been done by now. The Tomnod marketing excercise was rolled out in a couple of days. Fact of the matter is that implementing and debugging algorithms takes some time and effort... and therefore manpower and money. Add onto that you're expecting satellite companies to retask their satellites for a vast area of fresh imagery..... who's going to pay for that on top of the development manpower for your magic algorithm. Your optimism and faith in existing "simple algorithms" is commendable, but that's all it is. |
Originally Posted by Token Bird
(Post 8383116)
Is it possible that the crew were partially incapacitated from insidious hypoxia caused by a slow decompression and tried to reprogramme the FMS to take them back to Kuala Lumpur. However, they failed to do this correctly and the aircraft turned onto an approximately southerly track, taking them past but not to Kuala Lumpur?
With complete unconsciousness and death following some time later for everyone on board, the aircraft just flew on this southerly track until it's fuel ran out, shortly after it gave its last ping, at which point it was positioned on the southern arc. In other words, could this still possibly be just a terrible accident? No suicides, no hijackers, no nefarious goings on of any kind? |
Xeptu said:
The difficulty is that as the hours tick by the probability of a ping at the expected time becomes more likely that it could be from a different source, particularly towards Europe on the northern arc as aircraft and satcom units start powering up for their days work. |
7.5hrs later the last recorded Ping picked up by Imarsat.Means the aircraft was on land and in one piece with power on.
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If SQ68 had no message to send, the acars would remain silent and the satcom would ping. There is definitely no identifiable data in a ping
EDIT: If data is to be sent either way then it will be preceded by a connection request (handshake) and yes that has identifiable date of course, I understood we were dealing with a ping. |
shadowing NO
This has been extensively covered and debunked.
A pilot told us he once flew across india shadowing a LARGER aircraft, the post sounded like a military excerise I assumed from it he was in a fighter and the biggy was a tanker. he stated he had to sit almost under it's wing, now to know that the pair of aircraft must have been in contact with the radars tracking them. In that scenario the biggy would inform him of any flight path / alt changes about to happen, not the stealth shadowing scenario. Also you could only shadow from radar in on direction., so if crossing air defence you are still likely to be picked up at radar overlap points. James bond was not flying it and Cubby Broccoli was not plotting the flight path |
If you're TCAS is on then you are visible to other aircraft. And I don't think TCAS on /transponder off makes you visible to other a/c? Does it? |
Does anyone have an editable version of that map and could plot the flight data of SIA68 onto that? I have done some playing around with the flightaware data and can confirm that, if the westwards sightings are half way correct, it could be possible to let MH370 sneak under the radar hood of SIA68 at about IGREX, They could even squawk the same and any radar would interpret these double echos as faulty.
Anyone aware of the radar coverage around IGREX and later NW? If this theory holds, MH370 could sneak out later for i.e. Myanmar or Pakistan or or or ... |
No transponders....no TCAS.
Except for MH370, the other Aircraft would never know. |
@ Volcanicash
They specifically said max/min speed with no mention of other factors which is why it goes in the "bobbins" file. And they should have said maximum range speed not maximum speed. Maximum speed would (by my back of a fag packet calculation) be more restrictive. |
Guys, forget about robbery scenarios and all that nonsense. Forget about the cargo, tones of gold etc that might have been on board.
Nobody in the right mind and familiar with the aviation field would try something like this because you cannnot get away with something like this. Too complicated to put in practise such thing. I personally belive this was planned but for completly other reasons which are yet to be revealed. Hopefully we will get to know one day. Without finding the plane and black boxes information is very limited. |
I bet $50 Google is already in KL assisting
Re: SgtBundy
Google do public things during disasters like putting up people finder sites for people to find one another. But they also do a lot of silent assistance and seem to be happy not to have to go public and bask in glory. So not only do they 'do no evil' they apparently 'do awesome' as well:) I was involved in a govt role during a serious natural disaster. Google arrived within days, with the purpose of determining what logistical and expert assistance it could provide to the govt and they made available 24/7 assets by utilising Google teams located around the world. I reckon they're already in KL and already putting their considerable capabilities where it's needed. With google earth in their asset collection they would more than have the ability to write algorithms. |
@ ALL THE PRESS There is a distinction between an aircraft engineer and a Flight Engineer. Please use the correct term. The Australian press keep referring to the Captain as the Chief Pilot! If he was the Chief Pilot then this story would be even scarier! |
"virtually impossible" to change an aircraft's identifying code The only question is whether it requires physical access to the relevant PCB or whether it can be done using independent maintenance systems or using pilot interfaces operating in maintenance mode. |
Overthewing, all of the TCAS units I've played with have been integrated with the transponder. Turn the transponder off and you don't have a TCAS, at all, not for receiving or transmitting. Think of TCAS as a type of transponder rather than a separate system.
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Professional Experts
On the subject of the "experts" who are continually trotted out by the likes of CNN and BBC - many of these folks are Professional Experts and they have spent a working lifetime polishing their credentials, rather than actually contributing to their field. They sit on the right committees, they acquire the right letters after their names and as 'talking heads' they sound super-authoritative - they excel in self-promotion. In fact you can find these people in every profession. The real experts, who can give the most insightful answers, are seldom seen - partly because they prefer to be doing real stuff - and maybe also because they are lousy presenters and shun the limelight.
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Skytrax:
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, they HAVE gotten away with the cargo. Whether that was their aim is anyone's guess! |
Moderators: Since it seems impossible to completely shut down this thread and the repetitive uninformed drivel that characterizes the majority of the posts, I have an alternative suggestion: split this thread into five separate threads.
This would save all of us a great deal of reading time. Thanks for listening. |
On the balance of probability -
the northern arc is mainly over China... the pax are mainly from China... the cargo is mainly mangosteens... therefore - no, you work it out for yourselves. Thoughts to the families of the pax and crew at this difficult time. I remain optimistic. (And all that without lighting up anyone's radar screen, across several countries. Outstanding.) |
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