Passengers dies Jet2 flight from Antalya to Glasgow

[pbwhi0]

Just curious about the following passenger statement in this article - 44 Year old passenger dies on Jet2 flight Antalya to Glasgow:

“We had to land with all our cabin lights on and it was quite scary because you know that is quite dangerous.”

Does anyone know why it is so dangerous to land a 737 (800) with the cabin lights on?

Thanks, Paul

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by pbwhi0

Just curious about the following passenger statement in this article - 44 Year old passenger dies on Jet2 flight Antalya to Glasgow:

“We had to land with all our cabin lights on and it was quite scary because you know that is quite dangerous.”

Does anyone know why it is so dangerous to land a 737 (800) with the cabin lights on?

Thanks, Paul

Because if you crash at night and have to evacuate your eyes won't be adjusted to the dark.


So, in other words, no, not dangerous really. Bigger question is why would you need the lights on when there is a dead body in the cabin????

[irpond]

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[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by hans brinker

Bigger question is why would you need the lights on when there is a dead body in the cabin????

Presumably because, as the report states, cabin crew were still performing CPR until after the aircraft had landed.

[pbwhi0]

Originally Posted by irpond

I seem to remember reading that the cabin should have the same lighting as the exterior so that eyes do not need time to get accustomed to a sudden difference in case of an emergency exit.

Yep, understand that but in the vast majority of cases the aircraft lands normally. In this case, I assume the pilots declared a medical emergency and received priorty landing. But there was no emergency with the aircraft itself and presumably it pulled into the gate as normal.

I believe reporting is going downhill these days and maybe the reporter could have asked the passenger why they believed it was so dangerous to land with the cabin lights on.

[pattern_is_full]

Originally Posted by pbwhi0

I believe reporting is going downhill these days and maybe the reporter could have asked the passenger why they believed it was so dangerous to land with the cabin lights on.

Eyewitness told reporter they were scared by the experience. Reporter quoted the eyewitness, presumably accurately.

The story was about a health emergency that happened to be on board an aircraft. Not really a time or place for two non-experts to get into an extended debate about cabin lighting, unless it was a causal factor in the emergency.

To go off on a tangent: to start talking about something that is only slightly or indirectly related to the original subject.

[hans brinker]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Presumably because, as the report states, cabin crew were still performing CPR until after the aircraft had landed.

Yeah, oops. Didn't read the whole article. From what I remember, 30 years ago, we were instructed to get them in the galley if possible, and leave the aisle clear. And they took our copy of the FA manual away from us, so I don't know what our procedure is....
Two things TIL: read the article, read the manual.

[MichaelOLearyGenius]

Slightly off tangent but still related, I flew DL EDI-JFK-EDI recently on a b767. At no point on either leg did CC ask for window blinds to be open during t/o or landing and indeed there were many window blinds closed at all these points on these flights. Is this a legal or safety requirement? in europe they are very stringent about enforcing this but the DL crew were ambivalent to the fact.

[MichaelOLearyGenius]

Originally Posted by pbwhi0

Yep, understand that but in the vast majority of cases the aircraft lands normally. In this case, I assume the pilots declared a medical emergency and received priorty landing. But there was no emergency with the aircraft itself and presumably it pulled into the gate as normal.

I believe reporting is going downhill these days and maybe the reporter could have asked the passenger why they believed it was so dangerous to land with the cabin lights on.

Although the aircraft was not in immediate danger, the landing phase is still one of the most critical phases of flight. There are many instances of a/c leaving the runway or running off the end during a normal landing. In this instance the pilots would have been under pressure to get the aircraft on the ground asap for patient to get proper medical attention, I have been on two flights where a pax has had a cardiac event, those pilots dropped those planes like a stone to get on the ground asap.

[VHOED191006]

Originally Posted by MichaelOLearyGenius

Although the aircraft was not in immediate danger, the landing phase is still one of the most critical phases of flight. There are many instances of a/c leaving the runway or running off the end during a normal landing. In this instance the pilots would have been under pressure to get the aircraft on the ground asap for patient to get proper medical attention, I have been on two flights where a pax has had a cardiac event, those pilots dropped those planes like a stone to get on the ground asap.

A few weeks ago, a Jetstar 787 flying right over the top of Alice Springs had some medical emergency. They then rapidly descended straight away. FR24 picked up at one point that they have a descent rate of -7000fpm.

[SpamCanDriver]

Originally Posted by MichaelOLearyGenius

Although the aircraft was not in immediate danger, the landing phase is still one of the most critical phases of flight. There are many instances of a/c leaving the runway or running off the end during a normal landing. In this instance the pilots would have been under pressure to get the aircraft on the ground asap for patient to get proper medical attention, I have been on two flights where a pax has had a cardiac event, those pilots dropped those planes like a stone to get on the ground asap.

Aircraft leaving the rwy during a normal landing is a rare event.
The Captain had to decide between having the cabin lights on for landing, enabling the crew to perform CPR correctly. Or dimming the lights incase of a very low probability event.

The crew made the right call

[macdo]

Quite a few really pathetic posts on this thread. The only things that need to be said are sympathies to the deceased and their families and sympathies to the crew who were trying to save the person. I've been on a flight where crew made heroic attempts to resus a passenger while we got on the ground asap. It was all to no avail and it was horrible for the crew and a number of passengers who witnessed the drama. Discussing the rights and wrongs of cabin lights seems very disrespectful.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by macdo

Quite a few really pathetic posts on this thread. The only things that need to be said are sympathies to the deceased and their families and sympathies to the crew who were trying to save the person. I've been on a flight where crew made heroic attempts to resus a passenger while we got on the ground asap. It was all to no avail and it was horrible for the crew and a number of passengers who witnessed the drama. Discussing the rights and wrongs of cabin lights seems very disrespectful.

Each to his/her own. I can't see anything in this threat that's remotely disrespectful towards the unfortunate deceased.

[Capt Fathom]

Originally Posted by VHOED191006

A few weeks ago, a Jetstar 787 flying right over the top of Alice Springs had some medical emergency. They then rapidly descended straight away. FR24 picked up at one point that they have a descent rate of -7000fpm.

Where do people get this rubbish from?

[albatross]

Originally Posted by Capt Fathom

Where do people get this rubbish from?

Is the aircraft incapable of -7000 FPM?
Also data from Flight tracking sites particularly rates of climb and descent is not very reliable and must be taken with a large grain of salt. Some “Expert” folks take it as gospel however.

As for cabin lights….common sense should prevail. If you need them on for the purpose of trying to save life…keep them on. If you as a passenger feel endangered by this…close your eyes or put on your sleep mask to preserve your night vision.

I am taken aback that people were “traumatized” by seeing CPR being conducted and someone passing away even with the best of efforts. What kind of bubble do they live in? They would be less than useful when a relative has a heart attack at a family dinner…they would probably just live stream it on their cell phone while forgetting to call 911.

[MichaelOLearyGenius]

One of the flights I was on a pax had a cardiac event. It was British Midland. The patient was lying in row one with head propped up against the cabin wall. The plane was diverted as a medic in board patient needed immediate treatment. CC insisted patient was raised and sat in seat with seat belt on. Medic said raising patient would put pressure on heart but CC insisted.

[NYCPK]

On some airlines, like United, SOP in an unplanned emergency is for the CC to turn the lights up to full so the crew can either prepare the cabin for emergency landing or attend to the medical situation. I have no idea what Jet2's policy is. Since this was a medical emergency I guess either the CC forgot to dim the lights for landing especially if they were still using the Defibrilator or for some reason doing CPR.

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by hans brinker

Because if you crash at night and have to evacuate your eyes won't be adjusted to the dark.
So, in other words, no, not dangerous really. Bigger question is why would you need the lights on when there is a dead body in the cabin????

I asked that question of BA many years ago and had a personal reply from a very senior person in the flying arm who agreed with HB's response

[golfbananajam]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

Presumably because, as the report states, cabin crew were still performing CPR until after the aircraft had landed.

Having performed CPR more than once, why would you need to leave the lights on if you were already performing CPR. Also, do planes not carry a defib these days?

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by golfbananajam

Having performed CPR more than once, why would you need to leave the lights on if you were already performing CPR. Also, do planes not carry a defib these days?

Doubtless alternative explanations are available - feel free to suggest one.