Rules about pilots leaving the flight deck?
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canyonblue737:: how do you do that in these days of locked doors?
An initial enquiry to Easyjet didn't produce an answer.
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Why? He would just need to grab a spare mask.
The procedure for a rapid descent is not exactly onerous, unpleasant maybe, but not onerous. The priority is to don the oxygen mask which deals with the imminent danger, after that the procedure is quite simple. Heck, the A350 can do it automatically!
The procedure for a rapid descent is not exactly onerous, unpleasant maybe, but not onerous. The priority is to don the oxygen mask which deals with the imminent danger, after that the procedure is quite simple. Heck, the A350 can do it automatically!
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this entire thread is what if what if what if.
The airlines will have made a risk assessment (one of hundreds if not thousands they’re required to do to be allowed to operate) and have decided what is best for their operation. Some deem it less of a risk to have 2 people in the flight deck at all times. Others have deemed it less of a risk to not require that.
The airlines will have made a risk assessment (one of hundreds if not thousands they’re required to do to be allowed to operate) and have decided what is best for their operation. Some deem it less of a risk to have 2 people in the flight deck at all times. Others have deemed it less of a risk to not require that.
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My 2 cents worth as a 34 year Long Haul pilot…what would ANY non qualified person be able to do on a flight deck?
Certainly would be unable to transmit on a radio to let out a mayday, let alone tune to correct frequency….I spend hours flying around Deep South of the world CPDLC only. Tell me a Flight attendant could work out how to do that.
Fly the aeroplane? Again, where I am, no tower getting a pilot out of bed to tell you how to select LNAV, ALT HOLD, HDG SEL
Stop me or recover once I have done something bad to aeroplane?
And who was the GermanWings pilot..as one example? Previously he was…..a flight attendant.
Limit time off flight deck due being a professional adult pilot. Aircraft was designed for 2 crew ops. All other stuff is making rules for the optics, not practical nor adding to safety.
Certainly would be unable to transmit on a radio to let out a mayday, let alone tune to correct frequency….I spend hours flying around Deep South of the world CPDLC only. Tell me a Flight attendant could work out how to do that.
Fly the aeroplane? Again, where I am, no tower getting a pilot out of bed to tell you how to select LNAV, ALT HOLD, HDG SEL
Stop me or recover once I have done something bad to aeroplane?
And who was the GermanWings pilot..as one example? Previously he was…..a flight attendant.
Limit time off flight deck due being a professional adult pilot. Aircraft was designed for 2 crew ops. All other stuff is making rules for the optics, not practical nor adding to safety.
My 2 cents
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
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My 2 cents
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
My 2 cents
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
On another note, can I ask what is the American policy these days when it comes to one leaving for the loo etc?
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There is (was) one purpose of the observer (usually an FA) when a pilot steps out of the flight deck. This really applies to any airline.
In the event of an abnormality requiring the vacant pilot to return, their one and only job is to ensure the flight deck door opens.
That's It. An insurance policy against a locked door.
In the event of an abnormality requiring the vacant pilot to return, their one and only job is to ensure the flight deck door opens.
That's It. An insurance policy against a locked door.
The risks of having a newly qualified/ inexperienced cabin crew alone in the flight deck with one pilot (potential security issue/ stood behind the pilot so distraction if talking/ etc) needs to be balanced with the risk of incapacitation. Each alternative procedure has a level of risk, in this instance most airlines risk analysis leans towards one pilot being the better option.
The sort of policy you seem to be seeking would make life kind of tough if you are operating augmented crew on an aircraft with no or very limited crew rest facilities so any required rest period has to taken in the cabin..
Frankly - tough- sometimes there are no other options.
The sort of policy you seem to be seeking would make life kind of tough if you are operating augmented crew on an aircraft with no or very limited crew rest facilities so any required rest period has to taken in the cabin..
The sort of policy you seem to be seeking would make life kind of tough if you are operating augmented crew on an aircraft with no or very limited crew rest facilities so any required rest period has to taken in the cabin..
It looks very unprofessional for a pilot to be chatting to CC or drinking or eating in flight. If you care what your customer thinks you wouldnt do it
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
If you want to socialise why not open the FD door and stand by the exit to speak to disembarking passengers. Might improve image and get happy punters
The need to exercise is a red herring. Pilots do not not seem to have a raised thromboembolic risk - reason unclear.
No you don't need excercise, you need to get up and interact with people, the act is fysically AND mentally healthy. It still surprises me to see how the world of aviation still thinks they are a world on their own from a human perspective. For years aviation was "founded" on a military background where people should follow strict hierarchic procedures. The Asians still like it, we complain so much about it, yet we defend it in our little world ourselves? Not on my aircraft. I've only got one message: you ain't fighting a war on the flightdeck, we're not part of an army. That's not the reason why the concept of CRM was created.
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I saw a captain leave the flight deck go to the loo then chat to the crew in the forward galley.
as he was chatting 2 women with a baby used the loo to change a nappy. They seemed to have a changing table which blocked access to the flight deck door for about 15mins. The captain couldn’t return to the flight deck and just waited.
as he was chatting 2 women with a baby used the loo to change a nappy. They seemed to have a changing table which blocked access to the flight deck door for about 15mins. The captain couldn’t return to the flight deck and just waited.
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Where I work, we always have 2 people in the flight deck. If one pilot needs to use the toilet one cabin attendant is required to be present in the flight deck but they are not allowed to seat anywhere but on the jumpseat and they are not allowed to touch any controls.
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While not taking 30 minutes, I do take some time to stretch my legs and have a chat with another human being, be it crew or passenger. It's a relief on a 8 hours two man flight to have some minutes of walking and seeing other people face to face instead of turned on a chair.
While it might increase the chance of something happening in case of my colleague becoming incapacitated, it in turn increases my overall level of alertness and happiness. I deem the net result as positive.
Regarding a suicidal pilot, I trust my colleagues and if indeed someone wants to do something, they really don't need to be alone to crash a plane. A cabincrew member wouldn't help a bit and close to the ground there are plenty of ways even with 3 pilots in the cockpit.
Keep a common sense about it and don't overreact or panic over the slightest thing.
While it might increase the chance of something happening in case of my colleague becoming incapacitated, it in turn increases my overall level of alertness and happiness. I deem the net result as positive.
Regarding a suicidal pilot, I trust my colleagues and if indeed someone wants to do something, they really don't need to be alone to crash a plane. A cabincrew member wouldn't help a bit and close to the ground there are plenty of ways even with 3 pilots in the cockpit.
Keep a common sense about it and don't overreact or panic over the slightest thing.