Aeroflot 777 hit by severe turbulence
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Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.
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Cumulus castellanus. Very difficult to see on a weather radar unless you are on 40nm scale or less
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Article on Aviation Herald suggests Russian crews don't use the weather radar as they fear it will irradiate their man hoods
Accident: Aeroflot B773 near Bangkok on May 1st 2017, turbulence injures 25
Accident: Aeroflot B773 near Bangkok on May 1st 2017, turbulence injures 25
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Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.
ICAO type designators save time in posts, it's even better if you use the right one.
Aeroflot don't have B773s, it was a B77W (-300ER).
Aeroflot don't have B773s, it was a B77W (-300ER).
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Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility outside. Clever.
The results were what one would expect. 
Blind Landing on a Dare Killed Dozens, Paper Says : Soviets Disclose October Airliner Crash
June 05, 1987|From Reuters
MOSCOW — Dozens of passengers were killed when a Soviet plane crashed last October as the pilot tried a blind landing on a dare, the newspaper Soviet Russia said Thursday.
The paper reported that the Supreme Court in the Russian Federation sentenced the pilot, A. Klyuyev, to 15 years in prison for the crash at Kuibishev, 500 miles east of Moscow.
The report in Soviet Russia was the first known mention of the crash in the Soviet media.
It said the Tupolev 134A airliner was on a flight from Sverdlovsk in the Urals to Kuibishev on the Volga River on Oct. 20 when Klyuyev decided to try a blind landing as agreed on a dare with his co-pilot, G. Zhirnov.
Misjudged Altitude
At 3:48 p.m., two minutes before landing and at a height of 1,300 feet, he ordered the flight engineer to pull blinds over the windscreen and tried to bring the Aeroflot plane down using only instruments.
Klyuyev misjudged the altitude and speed of the plane's descent, the report said.
When the blinds were released less than a second before landing, Klyuyev tried to abort the landing but it was too late, it added.
"At 3:50 p.m. The plane crashed on the landing strip, made a gigantic jump, overturned and caught fire," it said. "Dozens of passengers died."
It said that three of the dead were flight attendants trapped in the passenger cabin but did not give an exact death toll.
Wanted to Test Abilities
Western commercial aviation sources said the twin-engine plane can carry about 88 people.
Soviet Russia said the co-pilot died of heart failure while trying to rescue passengers. It said Klyuyev, who appeared composed at the trial in Kuibishev, made the blind landing to test his flying abilities. It blamed the crash on his exaggerated sense of self-assurance.
The report said Klyuyev broke every rule on blind landings, which are allowed only on training flights and only if an experienced instructor is sitting in the co-pilot's seat.
Western airline sources said such landings were phased out by Western companies long ago for safety and economy reasons.
June 05, 1987|From Reuters
MOSCOW — Dozens of passengers were killed when a Soviet plane crashed last October as the pilot tried a blind landing on a dare, the newspaper Soviet Russia said Thursday.
The paper reported that the Supreme Court in the Russian Federation sentenced the pilot, A. Klyuyev, to 15 years in prison for the crash at Kuibishev, 500 miles east of Moscow.
The report in Soviet Russia was the first known mention of the crash in the Soviet media.
It said the Tupolev 134A airliner was on a flight from Sverdlovsk in the Urals to Kuibishev on the Volga River on Oct. 20 when Klyuyev decided to try a blind landing as agreed on a dare with his co-pilot, G. Zhirnov.
Misjudged Altitude
At 3:48 p.m., two minutes before landing and at a height of 1,300 feet, he ordered the flight engineer to pull blinds over the windscreen and tried to bring the Aeroflot plane down using only instruments.
Klyuyev misjudged the altitude and speed of the plane's descent, the report said.
When the blinds were released less than a second before landing, Klyuyev tried to abort the landing but it was too late, it added.
"At 3:50 p.m. The plane crashed on the landing strip, made a gigantic jump, overturned and caught fire," it said. "Dozens of passengers died."
It said that three of the dead were flight attendants trapped in the passenger cabin but did not give an exact death toll.
Wanted to Test Abilities
Western commercial aviation sources said the twin-engine plane can carry about 88 people.
Soviet Russia said the co-pilot died of heart failure while trying to rescue passengers. It said Klyuyev, who appeared composed at the trial in Kuibishev, made the blind landing to test his flying abilities. It blamed the crash on his exaggerated sense of self-assurance.
The report said Klyuyev broke every rule on blind landings, which are allowed only on training flights and only if an experienced instructor is sitting in the co-pilot's seat.
Western airline sources said such landings were phased out by Western companies long ago for safety and economy reasons.
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You don't see a difference between the unavoidable fact of reduced visibility at night, and deliberately reducing your visibility, and therefore safety margins, during the day?
Of course, I imagine many crews compensate for reduced margins at night/in cloud layers by being more focussed on operating their radar and tweaking it, playing with gain, tilt, range etc. to get the best picture they can. And some don't...
Of course, I imagine many crews compensate for reduced margins at night/in cloud layers by being more focussed on operating their radar and tweaking it, playing with gain, tilt, range etc. to get the best picture they can. And some don't...
Not in the least bit surprised that this lot would plow straight into a CB. This type of buffoonery is also common place amongst certain SE Asian carriers. It's not unusual for the flight crew to have the windscreens covered in enroute charts to provide shade, and zero visibility .
Anyway, saw some weather deviation going on . Captain was busy doing stuff using the radar . However, the wise F/O was looking out of his (uncluttered) window ; (daylight flight) and giving good advice as to clear track through the CB line ; blue sky gaps in between the nasty stuff;
The captain insisted on following his radar track ( not bothering to look out of windscreen;( obstructed anyway) . Smooth ride through the weather , as it happened , but could have made life a lot easier for all by looking out the window . (remember the old saying ? " one peep is worth a thousand sweeps " .
But have to admit , no accurate warnings for CAT ( yes I know, you will quote CFP shear ratio numbers , but we have all seen high numbers forecast , and a smooth as silk ride ; and low numbers that have your teeth fillings suffering . The truth is , no one really knows ) .
More to the point in these days of RVSM is hitting wake turbulence from a heavy ( 380 , 747 or whatever) on the same track . Now , that can make your eyes water , even if you are in another heavy .
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Exactly neila83. Boeing 7E7 must be an armchair pilot.
Also, the bright flashes of CBs out the window at night are usually a give away. Not to mention extra attention paid to your weather radar AND its correct use of scale/tilt etc.
Also, the bright flashes of CBs out the window at night are usually a give away. Not to mention extra attention paid to your weather radar AND its correct use of scale/tilt etc.
