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Old 20th Mar 2017, 19:06   #1 (permalink)
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US bans Royal Jordanian pax laptops etc in cabin

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2017/03/20/royal-jordanian-electronic-device-ban/
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Looks like it's rather more than Jordan affected. This is up on The Guardian tonight:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...s-13-countries
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The Grauniad manges to contradict itself by saying that devices are unconditionally banned on flights, and then that they are only banned in hand baggage.
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It is the Grauniad. Quite a lot of form in that respect...
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Any idea who else is on the list???
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Are the finally starting to look at the "real" sources of terrorism and terrorism funding............wow .
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If laptops etc are only allowed as checked baggage, then what about the lithium batteries which they contain and which are not allowed in checked baggage?
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I would suggest that an existing rule isn't gazzumped by this new rule.
You should be able to figure out what has to happen to the batteries.
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Well no, please enlighten us.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 00:24   #10 (permalink)
 
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@Eddie Dean
Why don't you just explain your statement? Then there will be no misunderstanding.
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then what about the lithium batteries which they contain and which are not allowed in checked baggage?
I thought you weren't allowed to carry spare batteries in your checked luggage. I battery nicely tucked away in it's designed-for housing in a piece of equipment will hardly be a threat, even if it is in your suitcase. How many laptops are blowing up in the cabin now?
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For checked baggage purposes, I'm not sure if a distinction is made between spare batteries and batteries installed in their designated piece of equipment.

I thought all lithium batteries were disallowed in checked baggage, regardless of whether they are spares or otherwise?

Please enlighten us Eddie Dean.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 01:21   #13 (permalink)
 
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Do a quick airline search!

For example:

https://www.britishairways.com/en-gb...d-restrictions
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The baggage handlers will have a field day accepting your laptops and IPads as free gifts.

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How many laptops are blowing up in the cabin now?
Not many but then again most people don't throw their bags full of expensive devices. Luggage isn't exactly treated with care in between an aircraft and the terminal.
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An AQAP airplane bombing attempt several years ago where we were tipped by Saudi intelligence:

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On October 29, 2010, two packages, each containing a bomb consisting of 300 to 400 grams (1114 oz) of plastic explosives and a detonating mechanism, were found on separate cargo planes. The bombs were discovered as a result of intelligence received from Saudi Arabia's security chief. They were bound from Yemen to the United States, and were discovered at en route stop-overs, one at East Midlands Airport in the UK and one in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates.

One week later, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) took responsibility for the plot, and for the crash of UPS Airlines Flight 6. U.S. and British authorities believed Anwar al-Awlaki of AQAP was behind the bombing attempts, and that the bombs were most likely constructed by AQAP's main explosives expert, Ibrahim Hassan al-Asiri. The bombs were probably designed to detonate mid-air, with the intention of destroying both planes over Chicago or another city in the U.S. Each bomb had already been transported on passenger and cargo planes at the time of discovery.

...The UPS plane landed at East Midlands Airport at 2:13 AM local time on October 29. British military and police explosives experts had been alerted to the existence of the bomb, and conducted an initial search of the plane's cargo in the airport's UPS parcels distribution depot. Officers from the Scotland Yard Counter Terrorism Command joined them.

U.S. authorities provided the precise tracking number of the package, and the printer was scanned with explosives detection equipment, x-rayed, subjected to chemical swabs, and sniffed by sniffer dogs. No explosives were detected. Removing the suspect package for further examination, the authorities allowed the UPS plane to proceed to Philadelphia at 4:20 AM local time. At 10 am the British gave the all-clear, and removed safety cordons from the airport.

Later forensic examination indicated that the bomb was inadvertently disarmed by Scotland Yard explosive officers, who took the printer cartridge out of the printer during their examination that morning, around three hours before the bomb was due to explode at 10:30 AM (5:30 AM Eastern time). The officers were unaware when they took the device apart that it was a bomb. []

British officials continued to believe that there were not any explosives in the package, but U.S. authorities insisted that the package be inspected again. British authorities then consulted with officials in Dubai, who had discovered a similar bomb in a computer printer cartridge, and MI6 spoke with the Saudi tipster. Scotland Yard explosives officers flew the printer and the cartridge in a police helicopter to the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Fort Halstead near London, and discovered the bomb at around 2 PM.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_planes_bomb_plot
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Scotland Yard explosives officers flew the printer and the cartridge in a police helicopter to the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Fort Halstead near London, and discovered the bomb at around 2 PM.
So happy that they flew the device by Police Helo BEFORE they figured out it was a bomb....
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The baggage handlers will have a field day accepting your laptops and IPads as free gifts.



Not many but then again most people don't throw their bags full of expensive devices. Luggage isn't exactly treated with care in between an aircraft and the terminal.
Oh My Goodness me, you are a disrespectful individual are you not???
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Is this just a covert attempt to dissuade people flying on the ME3, plus a few others, after vigorous lobbying by the US airline industry and getting away with it using the "security" excuse so the ME3 can't complain about a violation of open skies treaties?
My understanding is that security in places like Dubai and Qatar is world class, we aren't talking about some third rate corrupt nation with lax security so why now suddenly are they lumped in with all these other airports?
Not one US carrier is affected by the ban, funny that?
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you are a disrespectful individual are you not
You better take your rose tinted glasses off Eddie.

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This is Trump's administration way of getting back at the Middle East carriers who are doing so well on North American routes. The ban seems to be aimed at all ME carriers. I bet he doesn't ban iPads on Russian carriers.

Trump Bans Laptops And IPads From Dubai Flights To USA - Emirates, Flights, Use, UAE Ban Around Town - ShortList Dubai

I'm surprised he hasn't done anything with PIA yet.

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