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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:15
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Originally Posted by ExXB
UK follows suit, but countries don't match
Nor, it would seem, is the UK ban specific to particular airlines.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:22
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I don't believe this is about security in the slightest.
Catching a bomb in a device jammed in the middle of a persons luggage is going to be less accurate than the current system of x-raying carry-on tablets and laptops in a tray all by themselves.
If it were really about security, that's the bit that would be beefed up.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:25
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Well if its not about security then what is it about? Us "joe Public" don't have a scooby whats going on deep down in intelligence agency's



I suspect the countries listed in the ban are listed because they sponsor terrorism and its rife over there, getting the bits you need where you want is a lot easier
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:25
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Nothing on specific airlines on the DfT website (but it details countries and sizes of device), but the BBC list specific airlines here:
UK flight ban on electronic devices announced - BBC News
Perhaps a journo has used a scraper site?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:26
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Am I correct in saying it's only for flights FROM these countries and not to them?

The latest gov.uk travel advice:

Latest update: Summary – there’s a heightened risk of terrorist attack against aviation; the UK government has decided to implement additional security measures for flights departing to the UK from a number of countries including Egypt in the coming days but no later than 25 March; you should co-operate fully with security officials; if you need more information about how this may affect your flight, contact your airline or travel company
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:43
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If this really was a security related issue, the ban would surely be blanket across the industry with ICAO being urged to make any such ban universal?.

After all what's to stop some ISIS (or similar) supporter in Britain or Germany (to name two countries) from boarding an unrestricted airline to the US, or a restricted airline to a non-US/UK destination with a laptop bomb and bringing down that flight?.

Are the lives of those flying say DXB/JFK worth more than those flying (say) DXB/BKK or KUL?.

If you're banned from taking a container over 100ml of any LAG on an airplane on the grounds of security, surely the same should apply to a laptop?.

It would seem the real target is to hit the revenues of the Gulf 3 and Turkish Airlines in the guise of "security".

The British May government is a subservient lapdog to the US administration-much like Blair was, no doubt also keen to hit the revenues of the above named airlines to the advantage of British Airways.

Again if this was really about security, where's the ban from other governments in the west and elsewhere on such flights?.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 18:58
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Originally Posted by CATIII-NDB
in the absence of a clear and present threat,
Perhaps there is something specific that has just come to light?

In the meantime it won't be the terrorists that bring down a flight it will be a tablet/laptop on fire in the hold.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:13
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Same with Kuwait, though (stops in Shannon), but KWI was still put on the airport ban list.
This has answered one conundrum.

Kuwait Airlines applied for a tech/security stop at Manchester (UK) starting on 26th March. Abandoning Shannon. No one could work out why. Now we know. Kuwait is not on the UK ban but it is on the US ban. The plot thickens.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:24
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It would seem the real target is to hit the revenues of the Gulf 3 and Turkish Airlines in the guise of "security".

The British May government is a subservient lapdog to the US administration-much like Blair was, no doubt also keen to hit the revenues of the above named airlines to the advantage of British Airways.
However the UK ban will not affect QR/EK/EY. It will affect TK, that is until Erdoğan threatens to close a few military bases to their NATO allies.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:26
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According to SKY, English airlines are to implement similar controls ...
Whew! Well at least those of us who use Loganair will be ok!
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:51
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Originally Posted by MG23
Because they're more likely to spot it before it gets on the plane?
Sorry, I'm confused, what do you mean?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:57
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It's not unknown for 'intel' to be sexed up like the infamous 'dodgy dossier', WMD etc.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 19:59
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As far as I'm aware the only British airlines named have been English axefurabz.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 20:39
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Sorry, I'm confused, what do you mean?
The main argument against this ban is 'But if they can't get a bomb on board in Egypt, they'll just get it on board in Heathrow, so what's the point?'.

Sane people know that they're far less likely to get a bomb on board in Heathrow than in Egypt.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 20:47
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This was published 10 months ago but is worth a read, wrt Daallo Airlines Flight 159, etc:

The Evolving Challenges for Explosive Detection in the Aviation Sector and Beyond
https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-e...tor-and-beyond

Published by Combating Terrorism Center, West Point, NY
May 19, 2016
Author(s): Robert Liscouski, William McGann
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 20:48
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To all of the muppets claiming it's a big conspiracy to protect the US3 and BA, could you explain why it's all of the airlines from these countries and not a select few?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/a...ghts-to-the-uk

The countries:
Turkey
Lebanon
Jordan
Egypt
Tunisia
Saudi Arabia

None of the ME3 countries basically. TK isn't a real competitor following last years issues. I can't imagine many transit with SV. Egypt shouldn't be served by any UK airline.

It's fairly clear Egyptair 804 was an act of sabotage. Daalo Airlines nearly ended in catastrophe with a laptop bomb. It is claimed a drinks can bomb brought down MetroJet out of SSH.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:11
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Looks like security theater to me. So far, the Powers-That-Be in the West seem more interested in appearing to deal with the jihadi threat than in actually doing something about it. Probably because that would require admitting that some religious sects are genuinely dangerous, and suppressing them either by direct force or through client states.

If the Raj had had our modern mindset, Thuggees would still strangle, and Hindu widows would still burn.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:14
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Well if they just banned electronics from Qatar and the UAE then it would be even more obvious. They have to add other countries to make this 'security' precaution look valid.

It is just an excuse to get at the MEB3 and TK. What a joke.
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:22
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Does the Uk ban affect private flights too? It just says all flights from these countries? Can't see it being too popular with the board of directors on their business trip home?
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Old 21st Mar 2017, 21:25
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As far as I'm aware the only British airlines named have been English axefurabz.
British Airways hasn't been English for years. Owned by IAG which is an internatonal company 20% owned by Qatar.

Monarch is owned by Greybull Capital, which is essentially French.
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