Flybe Incident at Amsterdam
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Thanks for your reply Old Lurker. I didn't word my comment as well as I should have. Flybe did of course give an explanation for suspending the route but their explanation was questioned by many because they should have known the limitations with radar coverage and the ILS procedure having previously operated Q400s from there during summer to Jersey.
It's been interesting reading the comments in this thread about the characteristics of the Q400 in gusty winds and icing conditions. The combination of icing conditions and sometimes having to use the 09 ILS procedure at Dundee with a tailwind component into a relatively short runway with no radar coverage must have made for a busy work environment.
Sorry for the thread creep.
It's been interesting reading the comments in this thread about the characteristics of the Q400 in gusty winds and icing conditions. The combination of icing conditions and sometimes having to use the 09 ILS procedure at Dundee with a tailwind component into a relatively short runway with no radar coverage must have made for a busy work environment.
Sorry for the thread creep.
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Scots pilot says
Who the 
is this guy. What experience.
If a random individual goes on the radio to drivel on then I suspect an axe to grind somewhere.
His airline obviously is and always has been incident free. Pity he left out which one that was.
is this guy. What experience. If a random individual goes on the radio to drivel on then I suspect an axe to grind somewhere.
His airline obviously is and always has been incident free. Pity he left out which one that was.
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jameskirk, your reply is both irrational and ill-considered.
His identity and experience are irrelevant. He is described as a "Scottish pilot", isn't that enough? Do you expect him to publish his name and address on the News - as if! What has "experience" to do with flagging up a seriously worrying trend? Describing him as a "random" is hardly adding anything to the debate either, nor are silly remarks about the safety of his airline or its identity. I gather you've taken a personal objection to his carefully worded warning but slagging the guy off isn't going to help anyone's argument, least of all yours.
His point is valid, two gear failures and one engine failure in a week begin to look as though all is not well - isn't that fair grounds to ask questions? We all know the Dash has had severe historical problems with the gear that bested top Scandawegian carrier(s) so this cannot be swept under the carpet. It may be just bad luck but three incidents in a week are stacking the odds a bit high for any airline, especially a rather small one like Flybe.
IMO he has made a sound point in a considered manner. It is certainly something that the company and doubtless the authority's engineering branch will be pursuing with great care in weeks to come. Does that mean they have an "axe to grind" too, or are they just doing their jobs?
His identity and experience are irrelevant. He is described as a "Scottish pilot", isn't that enough? Do you expect him to publish his name and address on the News - as if! What has "experience" to do with flagging up a seriously worrying trend? Describing him as a "random" is hardly adding anything to the debate either, nor are silly remarks about the safety of his airline or its identity. I gather you've taken a personal objection to his carefully worded warning but slagging the guy off isn't going to help anyone's argument, least of all yours.
His point is valid, two gear failures and one engine failure in a week begin to look as though all is not well - isn't that fair grounds to ask questions? We all know the Dash has had severe historical problems with the gear that bested top Scandawegian carrier(s) so this cannot be swept under the carpet. It may be just bad luck but three incidents in a week are stacking the odds a bit high for any airline, especially a rather small one like Flybe.
IMO he has made a sound point in a considered manner. It is certainly something that the company and doubtless the authority's engineering branch will be pursuing with great care in weeks to come. Does that mean they have an "axe to grind" too, or are they just doing their jobs?
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If it's as you say historical problems. Why is it necessary to go on a local radio to talk about them.
If you are going to be specific about an airline then His identity and experience is totally relevant. No one knows who or what he is. Or more importantly his experience. Again, very important before someone goes public with their opinion.
The CAA, AAIB and flight safety department can ask questions. Again it doesn't need a local radio DJ to do that.
Anyway, don't reply to this. I'm not going to respond further to your drivel either.
If you are going to be specific about an airline then His identity and experience is totally relevant. No one knows who or what he is. Or more importantly his experience. Again, very important before someone goes public with their opinion.
The CAA, AAIB and flight safety department can ask questions. Again it doesn't need a local radio DJ to do that.
Anyway, don't reply to this. I'm not going to respond further to your drivel either.
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Sometimes if you ask the questions and answers appear not to be forthcoming then repeating the questions on broadcast radio might cause those answers to appear, or at least encourage other people to also look more closely and ask harder questions.
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Or maybe Jamestkirk is correct and this clown is talking out of his arse. There are no trends but rather spates and anyone who's done a mathematics degree will know the dangers of looking for trends within random data.
Flybe have an excellent safely record and whilst it's not every day a landing gear collapses this "spate" is no different to the spates that you see in nearly every other airline
Flybe have an excellent safely record and whilst it's not every day a landing gear collapses this "spate" is no different to the spates that you see in nearly every other airline
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So in a very big nutshell:
The MLG yoke was warped, probably or possibly... (the report is a bit ambivalent) but not definitely during fitting the night before. This compromising the over-centre downlock. This shouldn't have mattered as the system hydraulic pressure also holds the gear down but a prox sensor fault meant there was no hydraulic pressure. Net result being an unlocked gear leg but 3 greens presented to the crew. An amber warning may or may not have been presented in relation to the prox sensor, but even if it had been then there was no action required by the pilots. Add a bit of a crosswind et voila.
The MLG yoke was warped, probably or possibly... (the report is a bit ambivalent) but not definitely during fitting the night before. This compromising the over-centre downlock. This shouldn't have mattered as the system hydraulic pressure also holds the gear down but a prox sensor fault meant there was no hydraulic pressure. Net result being an unlocked gear leg but 3 greens presented to the crew. An amber warning may or may not have been presented in relation to the prox sensor, but even if it had been then there was no action required by the pilots. Add a bit of a crosswind et voila.
