Flybe Incident at Amsterdam
Believe an incident at Amsterdam with Flybe Dash 8, looks as undercarriage
collapsed wind related ? |
Storm casualty.
Aircraft from Flybe off runway at schiphol airport, Amsterdam.
Vliegtuig naast baan Schiphol door storm|Binnenland| Telegraaf.nl |
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Not a pleasant day for flying or even going out to be honest, wind can be a b*******d and
catch you out. |
Quite a day for Flybe, This and the engine shutdown and return to Glasgow (thread about that seems to have disappeared).
Glasgow to Birmingham flight makes emergency landing | Daily Mail Online |
And agree with TA - the internet is amazing! |
Stormy here at Schiphol indeed, and has been all day. Even the local ordinary weather services have been warning since tuesday that there would be a code Orange today. Farmers around the airport have spent the last two days tieing things down (to give you some local perspective).
Looks like (video shot from behind) the right wing dipped just after lining up and just before landing which caused it to touchdown on its right leg only, at first nicely on the runway. Then quickly the right hand gear collapsed as seen on the short video (shot from inside). |
30/G50, vicious.
I have plenty of sympathy for the crew on a day like today, at what point do you decide it's too windy when it is all head wind and not exceeding cross wind limits? I guess all you can do is make an approach and see how it goes! |
The right leg touching down first is a correct crosswind technique! nothing non normal about that
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Maybe it's the angle of the video, but I've seen worse landings...
Gear problem? |
Appears one of the mayday pilots (dutch accent?) mentions a "broken landing gear". The other mayday by the other pilot "evacuatin .. smoke in the cabin" having an english/scots? accent.
Same impression as PENKO. Looks like a 'soft' collapse indeed. So either not locked down properly, or one of the locks or stays breaking? ... Would have to listen closely to the audio of the video shot inside. |
Evacuation video here https://youtu.be/1A6Ks6QyJ0Q
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The port propeller continues to rotate for a long time, even after the emergency vehicles arrive. Is this just the strength of the wind overcoming the propeller brake or is it indicative of another issue?
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My eyesight's not great but didn't see many punters dragging bags behind them either.
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the Daily Mail (discussing another Flybe landing) notes that four pilots pulled off impossible landings today.
You guys are better than I thought. |
Porrohman,
It is normal for a DH8D to have the propellers spinning in a crosswind after the engines have been shut down. This is a major issue when boarding or disembarking passengers, as many have a tendency to wander around in the area of the propeller. However, judging from the evacuation video provided by Flight Mode, and seeing the direction the props are spinning, I am under the distinct impression that it is the downwind leg that collapsed and in fact that was first touched down, not the upwind one. In the last second of LookingForAJobs video, the collapsed gear is shown. It is remarkable that the rear gear doors appear open; they only open during extension and retraction and, in case of extension, close some seconds after the leg has been locked down. This door should definitely be closed in this flight phase. It is not linked to the landing gear struts in any way (unlike the forward doors that stay open when the gear is extended) but has its own hydraulic cylinder and its movement is sequenced by the PSEU (Proximity Switch Electronic Unit). The only situation I can imagine that leaves the gear door open after an extension is after the execution of the "Alternate Gear Extension" procedure. But this would have left also the door on the L/H MLG open, which is shown closed on several pictures. So why this door is open in this situation is not really clear to me. The gear in the same video looks to be in an intermediate position between uplock and downlock, i. e. failed in the direction of normal retraction. The correct function of the downlock will therefore likely be of relevance in the investigation. |
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